A Quick History of Theory: Creationism and Evolution.

What are you talking about? He spoke well and it was easily understood (maybe you need to tafocus on your english skills, my dear, if you were having a tough time with it). Not to mention that I agree. Anyone that has a firm grasp on science would find it hard to believe that there is some devine being in the sky that is responsible for, and controlling our existance. I can't make myself believe in a god if I tried, now that I have a more scientific understanding of the world around me. My scientific expertise is minimal, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that mystical characters such as a gods only exist in the human mind.

Some people are just so stuck on the bible stories they are told, and have been told since a child, that they can't seem to wrap their mind around the possibility that there is no god or creator of the universe. Science has tought us that people think differently. It seems that some people just can't get the idea of god out of their minds in order to look objectively at any logical theory of our existance. But let's face it, Creationism holds no more water than any other early myths of our coming into existance. It is a religious, mythical belief that has no supporting evidence besides wishful thinking.

But even christians are coming around. They are realizing that their faith doesn't have to be affected if they accept that we evolved. The only people who have a hard time letting go of creationism are the fundamentalists. The pope even accepted the big bang theory like 50 years ago. (Even though that theory now is getting a little weak). If the religion is going to survive it needs to be flexible. If it continues to ignore scientific discovery the religion will lose any validity it has, and will be considered among all the other old religions that worshipped gods and mythical characters.

 

LOL you haven't read any of my other posts, huh. I'm not bothered with who's right or wrong in this, you would know that if you read (and understood- perhaps its your skills that lack. Or perhaps you're just lazy.) my other posts.

 

Well my entire post wasn't meant for you, the first sentance was. The rest was my contribution to the topic of the thread, and in paticular gecko's post.

And if you don't care about who is right or wrong in this issue, why are you posting in it? And what makes it wrong for me to give my opinion in a thread? Just because you don't care doesn't mean the entire hipforums should go "oh, Disarm doesn't care, so lets all stop talking about it."

But your reaction awfully hypocritical coming from a person who in another thread was complaining about the fighting and insulting people do in these forums. Seems that you like to cause it so you can be the "mature" person and lecture us about it as well. What it seems like to me is you are the teenager that thinks she is much more mature than she really is.

 

My scientific expertise is minimal, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that mystical characters such as a gods only exist in the human mind.
Sera Michele

I have a so so level of scientific knowledge, and I believe in guardian spirits. I don't expect anyone else to, and if you and I differ on that, I support you in your beliefs, and I believe your truth is the right one for you. Mine is the right one for me.
I am not saying I am not stupid, just that the belief I have is not my area of stupidity.

 

Oh yeah, Brocktoon, I just want you to know in case you didn't, that the 'Eve' theorists feel she was from Africa. You may not have known that, or maybe just forgot to mention it, huh? Either way, it matters not, and I don't buy the whole "Eve" theory anyway.

For starters.. Mitochondrial Eve is not a 'Theory for your consideration'.
Its as close to 'Proof' as you can ask for in the world of Science.
We know and can repeatedly examine, calculate and demonstrate that we all come from one woman.

When, Where and How long ago is certainly up for grabs.
Evolutionists stretch the maximum of maximum feasable time lines to the 100,000+ mark.
Then they have an artist depict her as having Chimp-like Skin and hair LMAO!

The guess she came from Africa is really nothing more than 'Imagineering' but recently they imagine she appeared in North Africa (born from Ape-like creatures by somehow 'knowing' to develop new DNA in the fetus development?)

This is rather funny because the actual historical account puts Eve as having been cloned from Adams DNA in a little place just North of Africa now called IRAQ.

So the historical account has Eve being Cloned from Adams DNA by Intelligent Design - somewhere just North of (what is now) Africa.

The Evolutionists story about the same (now proven beyond all mathematical doubt to have existed) Eve - An Ape-like female suddenly gave birth to a Woman, who fortunately mated with a lot of ape-like males.
The offspring with the most 'Human' characteristics inbred and eventually became Civilisation!
[or something like that.. you have to ask Evolutionists what this weeks story will be from them]

Good Times!

 

Hooey, horsefeathers, bovine scat. Did Rush Limbaugh tell you that? He has just as hard a time resisting making up 'facts' out of thin air.

 

Blacky 'Colonel Potter' Guard
Could you please specify which part you think is 'Hooey', which part is 'Horsefeathers' and exactly what you think is 'Bovine Scat'?

The Evolutionists story about Ape-like creatures giving birth to a fully human baby girl?

The idea that Iraq is the birthplace of human civilisation?

What is 'HorseFeathers' to you?

 

Your entire post is suspect since it has points in it you claim are absolutely proven, when they are not, and then you dismiss other findings by the same researchers as guesswork.

You pick and choose to support your balderdash.

 

Ok.. 'Hooey' was one thing
'HorseFeathers' another..
.. and you were pushing it with 'Bovine Scat'...

But BalderDash!?

How dare you!

Darrel.. Ruling?

 

how about 'baseless, delusional, fabricated, fictional, fantasies, and concocted pretzel logic.'
Or just carelessness with the truth.
plausible deniability?
equivocation
the last two are not strong enough to describe your bold fibs, though.

 

Please be specific about what you think are 'Fibs'?

Please stop spamming the board with blanket accusations.
Its not helpful and seems to be a maneover to halt discussion?

What exactly do you have a problem with?

Thanks

 

You said:
For Clarification ..

BlackGuards Opinion that Genesis was 'borrowed' from Babylonians is entirely his own and should not be confused with facts.

It should also be noted he is assuming it is not based on a real event.


After I said this.....
The flood is far too universally refered to by cultures world wide to not have something to it.
I agree with the book Cataclysm, which shows copious evidence that such an event did happen, when the gravitational force of a massive object that passed very close by earth pulled the oceans over the continents.

 

BlackG

The problem is that you say two differnt things.
So I can be both correct and incorrect based on whatever one of your statements are chosen.

You specifically refer to the Genesis account as a 'Tale' and insist it was borrowed from the Babylonians.
(Implying it does not base itself on a real event)

Then you ALSO say its based on a real event.

From now on I will make multiple replies to your posts.. then pick one for either of your contradictory trains of thought.

 

the fanciful ark fable is not a literally plausible historical event, though it is a great story,
the worldwide disaster is a very skillfully studied and evidence supported one.

 

Blackguard [and laterally.. brocktroon]

World wide disaster?
In recent [25k years]?
Occam understands there are two possible major events in the med in the last 10k years or so.
And also
That there have been 2 near total extictions of life in the history of this planet...

However the 'flood myth' seems to be only a local or centered on the med event. [mediterranean]
Where is evidence of a world flood anywhere but the med?
Occam knows of no major worldwide extinction event that has occurred anytime in the history of humanity.[the species]
If there was one..why are ther 2 million plus species on this planet NOW.

Evidence suggests that 85% of species perished in the cretaceous period
some 65million years back [a rock?]
And that 95%+ of all species perrished in the permian era some 245 million years back. [another rock? and and there ARE a LOT of rocks out there.We can see them]

In occams idea of reality and direction...'God' lets this planet suffer the injustices of being pounded by lumps of extraplanetary rock every now and then...This is called enviromental adaption...
Where is the evidence that a 'god' is micromanaging this planet..
A wee ball of rock orbiting a nondescript sun.
One of ten to the 24th power suns on the observable universe.

Who are we to say a 'god' ...gives a damn about our situation.
That our 'justice' is anything such an entity considers of import.
Ego?

Occam

 

Occam.. I see where you are confused now.
We DO KNOW that billions of lifeforms were encased in sediment.(basically mud)
That is called 'Fact'.

Your belief these fossils (and the rock encasing them) are 65 million years old.
This is called 'Speculation'.

As far as the ADMISSION that a catastrophic flood did indeed happen in the Mediteranean..
It is definately not a case of 'Where the evidence it happened elsewhere'

Its a case of a 'Plea Bargain' from Critics.

Faced with a 'Deluge' of Scientific Fact - Naysayers like BlackG have no choice but to admit there was a flood.
In an effort to Plea Bargain - they now 'posture' themselves as if they obviously knew that .. but 'Only' that much.

They think if we (the Science seekers) will concede it was only regional .. and let them act like 'They discovered' the flood.. then we can all get along.

BS

Billions of lifeforms are encased in Sedimentary Rock.. Too bed Evolutionists.. Genesis is, has and always will be Bang on accurate.

 

Brocktroon

OK..rational method applied to your post

1. Yes, trillions of life forms are fossilised.

2. That these fossils are 65 million years old is called the belief in a method that works. specularion based on human understanding of objective reality,
This is a method that works because we make planes that fly , and computers that work. Reason has PROVED it works//Because it works.
You WONT GET ON A PLANE DESIGNED BY FAITH...
You get on a 747 designed by rational method.

The same methods you trust to fly you about the world
You DO NOT trust to answer questions about god.

Why?

Occam

 

Cataclysm: Compelling Evidence of a Cosmic Catastrophe in 9500 B. C.
by D. S. Allan, J. B. Delair


"Faced with a 'Deluge' of Scientific Fact - Naysayers like BlackG have no choice but to admit there was a flood." The nth, record breaking error, making Brocktoon the new world record holder in the 180 deg. quote reversal.
lol
I have stated repetively, in numerous threads, many in replies directly to you, that I have long been convinced by sheer weight of evidence I can accept, that a global disaster happened.
You infer the exact opposite, which I have come to accept as your S.O.P., or M.O.
It is an interesting strategy you employ, but I fail to see the use.

Now, what I did clearly say is that that wonderful subject of Sunday school art, Noah's Ark, as recorded in the bible, is a fanciful, entertaining tale that is very loosely tied to the event the geologic record describes.
BG13........okay, now......

World wide disaster?
In recent [25k years]?
However the 'flood myth' seems to be only a local or centered on the med event. [mediterranean]
Where is evidence of a world flood anywhere but the med?
Occam knows of no major worldwide extinction event that has occurred anytime in the history of humanity.[the species]
by Occam.


First, I agree the med. event did occur, and I in one post somewhere I mention the layer of mud dividing two Sumerian civilizations.
The book above has copious, well explained, plausible repercussions of a large rock skimming our planet, approx. 9500 BC, C14 +-100yrs.
Many of the ancient flood myth attributes match what they concluded from the data they gathered, measured, and recorded.
I found their ability to match the evidence to the ancient traditional reports compelling.
You may not, but I think you would enjoy the book either way.
by BG13, in agreement with all, & disagreed with by all.

 

Occam said
'This is a method that works because we make planes that fly , and computers that work. Reason has PROVED it works//Because it works.
You WONT GET ON A PLANE DESIGNED BY FAITH...
You get on a 747 designed by rational method.'

If you could only hear yourself talk.

[Mind you... your faith that the rocks are 65 million years old is NOT the same method used to build a plane)

But the analogy is wonderful - believing that 747 assembled itself by random chance requires more 'blind faith' than any religion could ever supply.
Common sense tells you it was 'made' by some rationale design.

 

Brocktroon

Yes..747's are a human construct. a rational design from the human mind...Utilising the rational structure of reality to produce a machine that serves a pupose.
In that we are far mor practical and rational than any religious god..Who makes life mearly to serve and worship god.
An exercise in ego reinforcement.

Occam

PS..And human rational method applies across the board..The same method that results in 747's is used to date fossils and the geoplogic strata they exist in..
Just because you dont believe it takes millions of years for sedimentary
fossilisation to occur..does not mean it does not happen.
You wish occam to believe the world was created.

Occam sees no 'patent pending' stamp on the world. Or humanity.
We may be the product of direction...through process.
But there is no evidence whatsoever to say we just popped into being courtesy of an omnipotent god that that only allows those with intact genitalia into his host.
That says a good man who is of god goes to heaven
And the good man who is good for his own reasons..goes to hell.