Catholic Church is Satanic

One of my positions is that symbols are adopted cross culturally but originate endemically in everyone.

Well the idea of sacrificial atonement was present early, but it is a cultural understanding of a symbol with esoteric significance. The act of crossing two lines over each other is the spitting image of connection and represents connection to common human experience, self awareness. Our language is indo european and we find the symbol con currently in neolithic europe and the indus civilization.

An esoteric interpretation of the symbol, yes.

This a cultural interpretation of the symbol.

 

well this is exactly my point, see i would have said the removal of this barrier between god and men was best symbolized by god coming to earth in the form of a man and experiencing human suffering on the cross, but i take your point.

well, as i'm sure you'd agree, readings of the bible are open to interpretation, and i'm certainly not saying that the bible is about death, in its entirety, but death is nonetheless very significant within it, no?

besides, i don't believe the cross symbolises "death". suffering, perhaps, but suffering to a purpose; to give yourself utterly and selflessly in the service of others. not because of the draconian dictates of an unknowable god in the sky, but by following a man like yourself, who suffered just as you can.

I'm not a christian, but i find that to be a much more inspiring event than the resurrection. guess that means i wouldn't be a "smart christian", best stick to atheism then lol

It's more about love and self sacrifice, i would argue, not death. and that, i would contend, is a fairly central message in the bible. But, as i've already said, the most significant aspect is the God as man image, the giving up of celestial power so that he might suffer as us and that we might know him, that's devotion. "greater love hath no man than this" etc.

the ressurection's just yet another display of his supernatural powers, once you've broken the laws of physics, you can do anything, so why is resurrection so impressive? it just reinforces the divide between god and men. I can see why the church chose to focus on the cross, i would have.

as for the bible not telling us to wear the cross as a symbol of Christianity; well, no it doesn't, the symbol came about out of necessity, we simply need symbols for practical reasons, for identifying ourselves/each other.

The cross became a symbol of the church because the passion of christ was deemed by so many to be one of the most inspirational and theologically significant passages of the bible. We can see its influence and its inspiration all over art, it must be one of the most reproduced images in the world. plus (obviously) because its a simple symbol which translates well across cultures.

 

haha, with all this theological discussion going on, i forgot we were in the conspiracy section, cheers for the reminder

 

The idea of an esoteric inner circle of humanity is a conspiracy theory.

 

than if satan and demons, or spiritual entities that want nothing but hurt and pain from us do not exist what is your opinion of exorcisms? what is anyone here's views of exorcisms?

 

My opinion on demonic possession is the same that the church currently claims, that it can be explained by one form of mental disorder or another.

 

They are psychological tools to ameliorate dis-ease over a psychological manifestation. The dis-ease of the onlookers as well as the supplicant.

 

To deny the existence of the devil is to deny the existence of god.
Everything from the subatomic particle on up to the macro world has it’s opposite,
to reject that notion is to reject the fundamental laws of physics.







Hotwater

 

Exactly. I believe in the existence of neither.

 

isn't god supposed to transcend physical laws though? certainly that would be the definition of a miracle, wouldn't it?

i thought that was sort of his thing.

 

"god" is the reconciliation of the pairs of opposites, where they come together and become one. So god is both good & evil. The opposites are just a crutch that human reason uses to make sense of our world. God is beyond all that. Truth be told, there's no such thing as good and evil. They are only value judgements we give to our perceptions.

 

these are not causes but examples, not untypical of nearly all other branches of christianity, and several other beliefs, as well. it is still however, only humans who have made up what they pretend to know about non-physical things which lie outside the purview of science.

and no, the existence of one or more gods, or god-like beings, does NOT require the existence of anything remotely resembling a so called "satan".

there is no logic to support any such claim that it does.

 

God has to live by the same physical laws and restrictions we do; he just knows a few more tricks and how to bend the rules on occasion :2thumbsup:


Hotwater

 

Why do you think that, hotwater? :mickey:

 

he doesn't just "bend" the rules. he breaks the rules, indeed, a "miracle" by definition is something which disobeys known scientific and natural laws. and if he breaks the rules at will, how can he be said to be bound by physical laws at all? therefore, how can we use any existing physical law to logically prove anything about God?

 

You just made my point for me “known” laws of physics



hotwater

 

so you agree that we can't use "known" physical laws as evidence for the existence of the devil?

 

I agree, and don't forget the sumerian tablets which is where the bible derived from but yet altered many times in the early years so we wouldn't know the truth.No wonder there's so much corruption on this earth, we live to make more money,have better jobs,purchase a big home ,etc and yet most don't know the true purpose on this earth.....Evolving to a better being. time will tell ​

 

As a non-practicing Catholic I can honestly say I never heard any Satan Worship, nor have I ever known a priest to accost boys.