Lets talk about Holy Spirit

Gods active force?

 

God.

 

God's teacher.

The holy spirit sees both gods truth and our error and reminds us, only one is true.

As we do unto the least we do also to him as we also do unto ourselves.

The holy spirit teaches us to see the world as god created it reminding us that forgiveness restores the awareness of gods judgement.

The holy spirit will teach you that your holiness, blesses the world.

 

How is the holy spirit god?

 

I can see this.

but I believe God is in control of the holy spirit

 

The Holy Spirit is God.
You know, Holy Trinity.

 

How come the word "Trinity" is not in the bible?

 

The Bible says Jesus is God, and Holy Spirit is God.
The Bible also says there is only one God.
So God is three in one.

The word Trinity is not there, but it's implied.

Out of curiousity, what are you?

 

it also says that Jesus is Only begotten son and Jesus also said that he did nothing of his own initiative, but only what the father wills

 

As a man Jesus submitted fully to the will of the Father.

Miracles and walking on water do not prove Jesus' divinity, but his humanity.

 

Whereas the word trinity is not in the bible, it appropriately reflects an observation about the world. Water appears as liquid, solid, and gas. Words are symbols of conditions. There is the creative state of god, there is the communicative state of god, and there is the manifest state of god. These states are all consistently present and do not represent divisions of the one.

 

So, by saying this, you are saying that Jesus is God and that is incorrect. Jesus is not God according to the bible.

 

Jesus was not God in a visible sense (normally), but ontologically.

 

what does ontologically mean?

 

You are making the mistake of thinking that your opinion or your interpretation is fact. Whereas, that ^ is only your interpretation/opinion.

My interpretation is that Jesus was God in human form, as the Holy Spirit is God in spirit form that is able to come among and unto man even in this day and age. There are verses which indicate this also...but I have the feeling you aren't interested in this.

Like several others here, I am also what is considered a trinitarian. You will find that we have as much "proof" as you do.

 

Hello Lynnbrown..I am interested in your proof..you show me yours and I will show you mine

 

When I speak of "proof", of course I am referring to scripture...and I will say at this early point that what I will offer is my interpretation. (You won't find me starting a thread and asking a question...when I think I already know the answer. )

I also am not sure if you want "proof" of what I think the Holy Spirit is, which is what the thread is supposed to be about, that Jesus is human but God incarnate or what. At any rate, I am going to start at the beginning with Genesis 1:26 where God says let "us" make man in "our" image, after "our" likeness. Our, not being singular, tells me at the very start that we are speaking of a God-head...which would be God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit. In fact, this exact wording is used by Jesus in Matthew 28:19...saying to go and teach all nations and to baptize them using that wording.

Again, the reference to Jesus, God and the Holy Ghost being spoken of in "equal terms" is given in II Corinthians 13:14.

John 12: 44-45 is Jesus relating basically that if you believe in him or see him that you "see him that sent me".

1 John 4: 1-3 connects God, the Holy Spirit and Jesus, saying that if a "spirit" does not confess that Jesus Christ, come in the flesh, is not of God this is that "spirit of antichrist".

There are actually (quite a few) more examples; but, I'm just going to stop here with those since they really go over pretty much the same thing.

There are numerous examples of the Holy Spirit working (as God's "force", I'll say). It is able to do anything from make people suddenly speak different languages (at the Tower of Babel) to make people understand each other even though they speak different languages. When people "speak in tongues", it is said it is because the Holy Spirit has come into them. Of course the Holy Spirit does much more than affect one's speaking or hearing ability. It provided Job with guidance, gives gifts (Hebrews 2:4), as well as convicting one of what one should do (1 Thessalonians 1: 4-6).

I feel that the example that thedope gave regarding water having 3 states but STILL ALL 3 STATES BEING WATER was an excellent comparison to how this works with the God-head.

(Oh, and in this particular sub-forum we are not really supposed to be quoting a lot of scripture, so that is why I just mostly gave references and then gave my interpretation.)

 

Isn't the trinity The son, the father and the holy spirit?

 

on·to·log·i·cal
adj.
2. Of or relating to essence or the nature of being.

I love that we can search things on these internet tubes.

Jesus is fully God and fully Man. Two natures.

 

If Jesus is God, why did he not come right out and say it?


by him saying, "if you have seen me, you have seen the father" does not mean he is the father..it means, that they have the same personality/character traits..