i have a question for people out there who have actual knowledge of this subject besides the real complicated method of making this substace and throwing LSA to the side i have a friend whos decided on making a homemade version supposedly he got this info from some dude spending fifty years in the bin for the illegal manufactoring of this chemical he says this is his recipe i am curious who with the knowledge under there belts can decide if this method is possible and would actually work of course this wouldnt be the ideal LSD-25 but would it infact be a worth while experiment with an actual out come what he says ya need to have is a loaf of dark rye bread a gallon of denatured alcohol like what you buy at a paint store a gallon of distilled water and couple of strainers so heres the deal you set the bread in a dark place with nothing covering them you add the distilled water to them as needed for like a week to a week and a half so they start and complete the molding process but you have to pay attention because of ergot poisoning which is very awful mind you he says to keep the bread with green and gray mold but to get rid of any with black mold and if you expect any black mold on any others to get rid of them aswell after that you have the green a gray molded dark rye bread on the strainer and with another under that strainer and you pour the denatured alcohol threw the different pieces of bread and threw the strainers aswell catching it all in a glass container sworll whats in it around and there ya go LSD of course the recipe is for a gallon but you use as much as you need considering how much bread is left after the molding process now i say its a possible that it could work but that more then not its just a recipe for death please no half assed or smart assed comments i want actually views on this method and the possible outcomes aswell id like to see people tear it down if its not plausible and people build it up if it is anyhow thanks for taking the time out to read this and of course your opinions will be greatly appreciated
This will not get you LSD. This might get you some amount of general lysergic molecules, but I'm not even sure of that. The risk of toxicity is tremendous. This does not work, do not try it, you really didn't even need to post this thread, you could have googled this idea and seen that it's an urban myth.
didnt really think how to start with that figured id post and hear from someone who already knows the deal anyhow thanks for taking the time bub
Dafuq is that recipe? You need access to a sterile laboratory and lab grade chemicals (some of which are government regulated). That guy sounds full of crap.
Yeah LSD is one of the more difficult chemicals to produce in the world. To make it, you need to have a degree in organic chemistry and access to a decently advanced lab. If you could make acid that way, well, we would all be very much happier in this world.
I'm pretty sure no ergot would grow. It grows on grain in the wild, not bread in your kitchen. You might end up with botulin a or whoterer, though..... you know, the most (i think.....) poisonous substance known to man, the one that causes botulism, and that is used in botox. Maybe you could move to the hood and open a mouldy bread n' paint thinner style botox clinic.
:rofl: I'm 100% certain no ergot would grow. all you are creating is moldy rye bread. 1) Ergot is a FUNGUS, not a mold. Big difference. 2) as roor said, I believe it either has to grow on the grain kernel or "farmed" in sterile condition (sorry, soggy, moldy bread does not constitute sterile conditions. Now here is the patent for the process that Sandoz (Hoffman) developed. "d-LYSERGIC ACID DIETHYLAMIDE Arthur Stoll and Albert Hofmann, Basel, Switzerland, assignors Sandoz Ltd., Fribourg, Switzerland, a Swiss firm. No Drawing. Application April 28, 1944, Serial No. 533,264. In Switzerland April 30, 1943 1 Claim. (CI. 260--236) The present invention relates to new d-lysergic acid dialkylamides which are valuable therapeutic products and to a process for their preparation. It has been found that by condensing azides of d- or d,l-lysergic acid respectively or of d- or d,l-isolysergic acid respectively or mixtures of these compounds with diakylamines, d-lysergic acid dialkylamides are obtained, which products have not yet become known hitherto. The alkyl groups present in the dialkylamines used according to the present invention can either be identical or different and may be of saturated or unsaturated character. Such amines are for instance dimethylamine, diethylamine, dipropylamine, dibutylamine, diamylamine, methyl-ethylamine, ethyl-allylamine, butyl-amylamine, etc. The new d-lysergic acid amides are distinguished from the known natural and synthetic ergot alkaloids and from the d-lysergic acid amides described in our U. S. Patent No. 2,090,430 by their powerful specific action on the central nervous system. The condensation of the d-lysergic acid- or d-isolysergic acid azides with the dialkylamines is carried out in the presence of an inert organic solvent and preferably at room temperature. During the reaction taking place between the azides and the dialkylamine generally mixtures of different dialkylamides will be obtained. This can, for instance, be seen in the following illustrative example showing the reaction of d-lysergic acid azide with diethylamine. During the interaction of these compounds a mixture will be obtained consisting of d-lysergic acid diethylamide and of d-isolysergic acid diethylamide, from which mixture the d-lysergic acid derivative will be separated. By using as a starting product d-isolysergic acid azide and diethylamine a mixture of d-lysergic acid diethylamide and of d-isolysergic acid diethylamide will be obtained, this mixture being subsequently separated into its constituents. Finally by starting from racemic lysergic acid azide or racemic isolysergic acid azide, mixtures consisting of d,l-lysergic acid diethylamide and d,l-isolysergic acid diethylamide will be obtained, from which the d-lysergic acid diethyl amide can be separated in a suitable manner, e.g., in form of its tartaric acid salt. The following examples, without being limitative, illustrate the present invention, the parts being by weight. Example 1 3 parts of d-isolysergic acid hydrazide are transformed in the usual way in a hydrochloric acid solution by a treatment with sodium nitrite at 0 degrees C. into the azide, and, after neutralization of the acid solution with sodium bicarbonate, the azide thus formed is shaken out by means of 300 parts ethyl ether. The ethereal solution is then dried with freshly calcinated potassium carbonate and treated with 3 parts of diethylamine. The solution is allowed to stand, preferably in the dark and at room temperature, for 24 hours with repeated shaking. The ether is then evaporated in vacuo, the residue triturated with 30 parts of water and filtered by suction. The dark amorphous product thus obtained possesses a specific rotation of [alpha]20/D=about+100 degrees (in pyridine) and consists essentially of a mixture of nearly equal parts of d-lysergic acid diethylamide and d-isolysergic acid diethylamide. The separation of both isomers can be carried out for instance by the so-called chromatographic adsorption method. For this purpose the mixture is dissolved in chloroform containing about 0.5% of ethanol and is passed through a column of aluminium oxide of 60 cm. length and 4 cm. radius and the chromatogram developed with the same solvent. The dark impurities pass rapidly into the filtrate. Then follows a bright zone, which has a blue appearance in ultra-violet light and which contains the d-lysergic acid diethylamide. From this fraction 1.0 to 1.3 parts of this product will be obtained. A further slowly passing portion of the solution contains the d-isolysergic acid diethylamide. By evaporating this chloroform fraction and crystallizing the residue from acetone, 0.8 to 1.2 parts of a compound crystallizing in beautiful prisms of melting point 182 degrees C. (corr.) under decomposition is obtained, this compound being the pure d-isolysergic acid diethylamide. Its specific rotation is [alpha]20/D=+217 degrees (c=0.4 in pyridine). Elementary analysis has given the following values: C 74.41; H 7.48; N 13.27%. The calculated values for d-isolysergic acid diethylamide, i.e., C20H25ON3 are C 74.25; H 7.79; N 13.00%. The d-isolysergic acid diethylamide can be transformed into d-lysergic acid diethylamide by using the methods known for the ergot alkaloids. By allowing the solution of the iso- compound to stand in dilute alcoholic potassium hydroxide, a mixture of about equal parts lysergic acid and isolysergic acid compounds will be produced after a short time. The d-lysergic acid diethylamide can then be separated from the mixture in the manner described above. The amorphous d-lysergic acid diethylamide, which can be separated by the chromatographic method, crystallizes, by dissolving it in a small amount of acetone and diluting this solution with ethyl ether, in bundles of needles. From benzene pointed prisms will be obtained, that melt under decomposition at 80-85 degrees C. (corr.). The new compound is difficulty soluble in water, but very soluble in methanol and ethanol. It possesses the specific rotation of [alpha]20/D=+30 degrees (c=0.4 in pyridine). Elementary analysis gives the following values: C 73.50; H 7.81; N 12.92%. For d-lysergic acid diethyl amide, C20H25ON3, the calculated values are C 74.25; H 7.79; N 13.00%. By dissolving one equivalent of the base with one equivalent of d-tartaric acid in a small quantity of methanol the neutral tartrate of d-lysergic acid diethylamide crystallizes out in form of bundles of needles. The salt is very easily soluble in water and melts indistinctly and under decomposition at 200 degrees C. (corr.). Example 2 An ethereal solution of d-lysergic acid azide, prepared in the usual manner from 3 parts of d-lysergic acid hydrazide, is treated with 3 parts of diethylamine and allowed to stand for 24 hours in the dark and at room temperature with occasional shaking. The isolation of the compound thus produced is carried out in the manner described in the Example 1. The first separation by means of the chromatographic adsorption yields 1.3 to 1.7 parts of d-lysergic acid diethylamide and about 0.5 to 0.8 part of d-isolysergic acid diethylamide. Example 3 3 parts of racemic isolysergic acid hydrazide are transformed in the usual manner into the respective azide and the formed compound is precipitated by means of an excess of a sodium bicarbonate solution in the form of voluminous yellowish flocks, which are separated by suction and immediately introduced at -5 degrees C. into a solution of 3 parts of diethyl amine in 30 parts of ethanol. The azide readily dissolves in the solution which becomes brown and is then heated slowly to 30 degrees C. The solution is maintained at this temperature for 1 hour, whereupon the solvent is evaporated in vacuo. The sticky residue is triturated with 30 parts of water and filtered. The raw condensation product amounting to about 2.8 parts consists of racemic isolysergic acid diethylamide and of racemic lysergic acid diethylamide and is separated by the chromatographic method in the manner described in Example 1. During the chromatographic separation two zones are obtained which are colored, in ultra-violet light, in brilliant blue shades. The more rapidly passing zone contains the racemic lysergic acid diethylamide, whereas the slower passing zone consists of racemic isolysergic acid diethylamide. From the racemic lysergic acid diethylamide the d-lysergic acid diethylamide can be separated by transforming the same for instance into its neutral tartaric acid salt. For this purpose 3.2 parts of racemic lysergic acid diethylamide (1/100 mol.) are dissolved in 6 parts of methanol and added to a solution of 0.75 part of d-tartaric acid (1/200 mol.) in 2 parts of methanol. On inoculation with d-lysergic acid diethylamide tartrate this compound crystallizes out in nearly colorless bundles of needles. Yield 1.0 to 1.2 parts. The properties of the compound thus obtained are identical with those described in Example 1 for the neutral d-tartaric acid salt of d-lysergic acid diethylamide. What we claim is: The crystalline d-lysergic acid diethylamide which crystallizes from benzene in prisms melting with decomposition at 80-85 degrees C., which is difficulty soluble in water but easily soluble in methanol and in ethanol, which possesses the specific rotation [alpha]20/D=+30 degrees (c=0.4 in pyridine) and which corresponds to the formula C20H25ON3. ARTHUR STOLL ALBERT HOFMANN" Gee, all that sciency stuff when all they had to do was get moldy bread. So, do you still think the "recipe" you posted is remotely possible??
Look everyone knows its very hard to mKe lsd25 but who the hell has been making? Was orange sunshine lsd...no it was ald 52 whenit came in contact witb moisture it turn to lsd n thats how the govern was able to fuck those guys in the ass..when they brought the fact that evidence was tappered with by leaving out so it would come in contact with moisture where do u think the term acid came from...they couldnt call orange sunshine lsd when it wasnt so they started calling it acid. In 1965 Bear was making batches that were unpure but guess what that "unpure shit" was called?? Purple haze n white lighting which was rated at 270 mic.point is that ur guy in jail wasnt there for making cupcakes so its something research more then listen to a bunch of antidrug people quote the specific lab technics for making lsd 25 when some good all purple haze would do..those chemist were striving for very pure shit n did get better...wait till Nicholas sand's book comes out about syntheses technics for producing psychedelics...we all will b tripping r balls(or tits) off...good times ne one wanna talk bout good time email@ lucidlucy3@gmail.com
Look everyone knows its very hard to mKe lsd25 but who the hell has been making? Was orange sunshine lsd...no it was ald 52 whenit came in contact witb moisture it turn to lsd n thats how the govern was able to fuck those guys in the ass..when they brought the fact that evidence was tappered with by leaving out so it would come in contact with moisture where do u think the term acid came from...they couldnt call orange sunshine lsd when it wasnt so they started calling it acid. In 1965 Bear was making batches that were unpure but guess what that "unpure shit" was called?? Purple haze n white lighting which was rated at 270 mic.point is that ur guy in jail wasnt there for making cupcakes so its something research more then listen to a bunch of antidrug people quote the specific lab technics for making lsd 25 when some good all purple haze would do..those chemist were striving for very pure shit n did get better...wait till Nicholas sand's book comes out about syntheses technics for producing psychedelics...we all will b tripping r balls(or tits) off...good times...ne boby can email me at lucidlucy3@gmail.com if ya like to talk about psychedelic times
