We don't need Republicans or Democrats, we need a new outlook

Who are you voting for this election year? Did you know former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson is for marriage equality, balancing the federal budget, women's reproductive rights, ending the drug war and legalizing marijuana? Did you know he is gaining a huge underground following?

 

The Elephants and Donkeys deserve the Bird: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDSUoIVMze8&feature=relmfu

 

Hey instead of choosing between various ass fuckers that ultimately only work for the same asshole. How about we try organizing a giant "we don't vote" movement and shut down the entire electorial process?!

Yea las if that's ever going to happen in this nation. Let's face it there's a better chance of finding a virgin in prostitute old age retirement home.

So instead how about creating a dozen or so facebook accounts and we could bury Washington in *likes*.

For those that prefer direct action, they could support the war machine and military complex by purchasing hundres of guns and then stockpiling them in their basement to never be used except in conversations with friends about how free and safe it makes them.

 

Because of the Electoral Collage, even if nobody voted a winner would be chosen... In other words we are screwed.

 

There's a huge difference between campaign promises and political reality.

 

What I love about this country is the commonly shared ability amongst the vast majority of the population to rationalize and give excuses for never trying something different or a different approach. Instead we go back and forth from left to right, democrat to republican, etc.

If someone finds a hair in a big mac, then it's off to Burger King they go. Never taking into fact that their fat ass just keeps getting fatter and they would be better off trying Vegies-on-the-go resturant.

When made in china products get to be too much. Then my fellow countrymen stop shopping at Walmart and go to Target. When perhaps they should be seeing what some local craftsman in their community has to offer.

I could make a huge fucking list of examples to ilustrate my outlook on this nations. Instead I'll just say that the end result is we live in a yo-yo nation that's filled with yo-yos. Hopefully there will be a giant burger induced epidemic that cause 95% of the population to kick the bucket.

 

What's Johnson's plan for protecting the environment? This seems to be the Achilles heel of all Libertarians. The environment gets plundered.

 

let's not forget human rights... libertarians would seek to abolish labor regulations like the minimum wage and pesky child labor laws. They would argue that some children would be better off working instead of wasting tax payer money going to an underperforming school.

 

@sunfighter, have we ever really given Libertarians a chance to show us what they can do? What are the GOP and Dems doing to protect the environment? Obama is a lot of talk and no action on that front, except for spending a lot of money on so called 'green' programs.
Personally, I think implementing an alternative fuel might help. Hemp fuel, and hemp fiber could cause an industrial revolution and solve more problems than just environmental ones. Think of what it could do for jobs and the economy. What about marijuana legalization? Ending the war on drugs would free up a lot of $$.

@outthere2 Here's what governor Johnson has to say on child labor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9fXiVVjIfM

Nowhere did he say that child labor laws should be abolished, only that they should be loosened. I agree with what he is saying; not that a child should be forced to work, but that he/she should have the opportunity to do so, if they want to. Only 20 - 30 years ago, kids from 10 years old to 14 years old could work a few hours a day, in a shop sweeping up, or delivering newspapers, or mowing lawns. Nobody was forcing kids to do these jobs. I think it's good for kids to make a little of their own spending money, to show them the value of hard work and what can be created by that. This isn't 1900, where an 11 year old boy worked 10 hour days for very little money. This is 2012, where Libertarians are saying: kids are bored, kids need exercise, kids want cash. Let them work for a few hours a week IF they want to.

 

No. First of all kids should never be considered complete volunteers. They will do things they shouldn't based on pressure from authority's and peers.
Some butt-pickin' farmers gonna have his 8 yr old running a thresher or some shit just because he can.

Also a reason kids aren't getting get hired for a few hours of pushing broom or the like is the liability.
These days insurance company's have thier assholes so puckered in fear of litigation, some kid so much as gets a fucking splinter and an employer could be dealing with a lawsuit from the kids parents.

I gotta say, in todays insurance environment I'm surprised you can even get a job before you are old enough to legally sign a contract.

Hell, anyone wants to go up against insurance company's, more power to ya and good frickin' luck!

 

No one should force their 8 year old to do dangerous work on the farm, but I see nothing wrong with having the child do easy tasks such as feeding livestock or picking vegetables as chores. It's still legal for kids to have chores, right? We would need regulations for these tweaked laws that would allow kids to do some easy work, in order to protect them from being taken advantage of. And you're right, it'd be hard to even get them implemented in today's society without somebody wanting to sue.

This is not why I'm voting for Gary Johnson. I don't think this is his main cause of concern after election anyway.

 

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The kind of right wing libertarianism you seem to be pushing is just an extreme form of right wing political thinking, as an alternative it would be rubbish - the US would just then have – centre-right (Democrats), further right (Republicans) and extreme right (Libertarians).

Anyway as I’ve stressed many times it’s a wealth dominated political system that would seem to need changing if anything the right wing libertarians would make a bad situation worse. The other thing is that to me many Americans must start looking at the political ideas they support in a rational and reasonable way because as shown many time here some people promote ideas that they seem completely incapable of defending from criticisms in any logical, rational or reasonable way.

For example I’ve asked you to address these criticisms in another thread and so far you have not done so – why is that?

 

Because you seem bent on attacking my Libertarian stance, and trying to tell me what you think I believe, and what I am trying to do. Which is simply to spread awareness of a 3rd party candidate; I'm not PUSHING anything.

I am not right wing in any shape or form, and I do not wish to argue with you about it.

We do have a wealth dominated political system; you're right on that note. And yes, it definitely needs changing. America seems to be divided on what those changes must be though.

You say as an alternative to America's current system, it would be rubbish. That's your opinion, okay, but you don't make any speculations as to why?
I just realized you're from London, UK. You have a right to your opinion, but since you are a non-American it simply doesn't matter...

 

I voted for Ralph Nader the last four elections. If he would have been elected in 2000 we would still have a $300 billion annual surplus, the national debt would be less than $2 trillion, we wouldn't have gone into Iraq, and millionaires wouldn't be getting welfare.

It's so sad that there is less than 3% of the voters smart enough to get rid of the two parties that have created the mess we have today. The vast majority will continue to elect the same stupid morons over and over again. Nothing will change.

I'm voting for Bernie Sanders as a write in.

 

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There are many other third parties beyond the Democrats and Republicans why are you pushing the right wing libertarians?

Then why are you pushing right wing views? And if you don’t want to discuss them why are you here?

Oh I’ve explained at length and in detail why I think right wing libertarianism does not seem like a good direction for the US to take. As I’ve said the problem seems to be a wealth dominated political system and as is clear when looked at that the right wing libertarians would make that bad situation worse because they wish to give more power and influence to wealth.

 

Since they're only kids why should they be entitled to the minimum wage?

 

The most important object of the upcoming election is to remove Obama from office, and if voting for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul had a chance of accomplishing that I would vote for either one of them, but like the 1992 election with H. Ross Perot not able to win a majority in a single State, Clinton won by a narrow margin in each case as a result.
A similar turnout by voters in 2012 for Ron Paul or Gary Daniels would likely on accomplish providing Obama with a second term. A more reasonable strategy would to be to back Romney over Obama and then concentrate on taking over the RNC as the Left has done totally with the DNC, and only partially with the RNC. A second term win by Obama would likely be the end of the Republican party and require the emergence of a new party and a long struggle to wrest power from the Left as the Nation goes deeper into debt and decay.
QE1 and QE2 has set us up for a lengthy period of gradual? inflation, and QE3 may be the stimulus to begin hyper-inflation which may be the crisis that will allow the Left to put the final nail in the coffin containing our Constitution.