Kandahar's chart

Discussion in 'Astrology' started by Zanman, Dec 19, 2004.

  1. Zanman

    Zanman Member

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    Chart was calculated to 28 March 1980, 11.17 am Lima OH

    Cancer 7 rising with Sun in Aries in 10 and Moon in Virgo in 3.


    Moon in Virgo and Sun in Aries in 10. Cancer rising. Good intelligence. A very analytical mind, skeptical, precise, clean, conscientious, critical and the Sun gives Moon ample fodder for investigation and delving into the minutia of life, a good combination for a scientist really. I already know you are in the scientific field but I would have written it like that even had I not known.

    Moon and Jupiter will save you from most of your woes as you have had an untroubled life so far, other than in the area of love and relationships, where loss and tragedy rules I am sorry to say. Your lovers and friends are removed from you, sometimes violently but always unexpectedly and suddenly.

    You are not exactly a shrinking violet - in fact your confidence and ego power overwhelms others. You are a VERY strong personality who easily dominates others and imposes his opinions and his ego upon people all the time. Sometimes you may not realize you are doing this, and you probably attract weaker personalities to you who will seek to feed off of your energy. And you certainly have plenty of energy, head-bursting energy.

    You seem to alternate between being talkative and being taciturn, and while sometimes your thoughts flow evenly at other times there seems to be a mental fog and nothing seems to focus.

    You are extremely independent, bordering on absolute anarchy and you can be “touchy”, irritable and insistent on having your own way at all cost! Patience is a virtue you have NOT developed, although you try hard. In fact you can be extremely impatient and impetuous which can produce accidents, close calls and personality conflicts. You always seem to be in a hurry to get things done, but with Moon in Virgo if this is channeled properly it can allow you to be extremely efficient and well-organized.

    You want a family though, but you can’t have one. I do not wish you harm but it is the way it will be and you will accept that. It is not bad or good. You will realize that all shocks and sudden losses bring life into a better perspective that you did not have before. In fact each heart-break strengthens the sense of self and increases resilience for the future. Most people are sleep-walking in their security.

    You let others know exactly where you stand. Mars in Leo never admits of an equal … it will get you into a lot of fights …but you don’t care as you have the courage of the lion. And the bravado, always unafraid of anything, and you do well in emergencies. But you are respected for your strength and courage, and courage is a virtue you deeply respect in others. In fact you seek out strong people and you secretly despise those who hesitate to enter the fray.

    You do like to argue and you are combative and sharp-tongued personally which will cause you to be unpopular at times. Others can easily see you as opinionated and “full of yourself”. You will need to control this, but you do also inspire others, especially weaker people, and that can be a nuisance to you. You have “fans”, something to overcome as LIFE forces you out of the way of your ego.

    You have a great ambition and great stamina and energy, and you have a great vision for and of yourself which will help you become successful in life, and you will be very successful and even prominent, but only in a material sense, unfortunately.

    You nourish vast schemes in your head for the future, and your enormous confidence will undoubtedly accomplish much, although you are highly strung and restless … and you need to control your tendency to be excitable and your temper.

    Moon Jupiter suggests wealthy relatives and a generally good family background. I wonder if your family has some sort of prominence. Mars Moon Jupiter promises substantial inheritance but you have a limited view based on your family history. There will always be strong family ties to your past.

    Your sadness in life is the inability to create and sustain the deep romantic relationship you crave, and if you do find love it changes suddenly and your love partner is removed, suddenly and unexpectedly. It has already happened but I haven’t checked how many times. If you can create a relationship you are separated either in space by geography, or in time through death.

    It will be extraordinarily difficult for you to sustain any long term love-relationship because enormous tensions develop, and sudden and explosive conditions serve to terminate and explode the issue. Walkouts occur, sudden eruptions, temper tantrums and that sort of thing, but you really have no control in this area because you endure surges of energies that create the astrological fire that destroys and decimates.

    Destruction of love relationships are caused by accident sometimes, and sometimes violently. I am sorry to say this but it will be the pattern of your life and there is no way to avoid it. It would be best to avoid marriage as it will assuredly end in divorce. In late life you will perhaps find satisfaction with a much younger woman but your true love will probably be your vocation, not a woman.

    It is not wrong nor is it morally weak, but you will find you cause your own destruction of relationships.

    You cannot rely on your relationships, but you attract people into your life who are a menace to your life, and your friends may be treacherous, consciously or not.

    But you are in fact a person of deep loyalty (Venus trine Saturn) and will always fly to arms on behalf of your friends. You will NEVER let down a friend, no matter what, right?

    The Venus Saturn trine is beautiful from Taurus, but stressful (even in trine) and difficult to maintain as the planets are so different in value. Your real friends know you are a truly fine person underneath all the bombast and attention getting drama.

    That trine indicates your deep and secret bliss and the ideal - you meet her but you can’t keep her. I am really sorry to say that, but it is true and will be the pattern that you cannot escape. You will not both find AND keep your love in this life.

    You have friends who remain deeply loyal to you, and who will regardless, and for a lifetime. You do not give your friendship easily however. And you have a spiritual beauty about you that is most evident in times of sorrow and pain … you have a deep ability to comfort others and those in need. Cherish that ability and the fact that at heart you are a truly moral person who would not do a wrong thing. Others don’t know that, but you do and there is no way you can change your essential humanity as that is in the spiritual realm beyond astrology.

    The Venus Saturn trine, while difficult, is perhaps the best aspect in the full gamut - I know it sounds paradoxical but not if you think about the values of Venus and Saturn. It supports you spiritually, beyond what you know.

    But relationships remain the most problematic area of your life … there is no satisfaction, and you will admit to being a passionate “turn-on”, where you happen to be intensely passionate at one moment and entirely cold the next … I will not elaborate on a public forum. In any event this is the most troubled of your experiences as your intellectual life is fine.

    Money, no problem - lots, success no problem – plenty, love and friendship … sorry …

    Good luck my friend …
     
  2. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

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    Thanks for posting this. Now that we have an experiment, let's analyze the data. My main objective here is not to attack or reach any preconceived conclusion, but to scientifically evaluate the question "Does astrology work?" based on the evidence you have presented.

    Some of this stuff could apply to the vast majority (>90%) of human beings, so I don't think it can be included in the evidence. An example:



    A lot of the information in this chart wouldn't necessarily apply to the majority of people, but a quick look at my previous posts on this forum would indicate - either through things I've directly said, or through inference - that they most likely apply to me. Examples of this:

    (Nevertheless, it's pretty obvious.)

    (I'm sure I've mentioned this in a couple threads on this forum.)


    (I think these things are pretty obvious too. I may not have ever directly stated these things, but it's probably easy to tell from my posts.)


    Of the remaining stuff - the stuff which I don't think you would've had any other way of knowing - I don't think your astrology chart was any more accurate than could be expected by chance. Let's look at it:



    You are right about lovers, wrong about friends. And wrong about the violence or unexpectedness.



    This one's not me. I'm definitely a laid-back, lazy, Type B personality. ;)



    This one is probably accurate.



    Sometimes, but probably no more than the average person. I tend to be a bit more confrontational online than IRL, for whatever reason.



    You are correct about the arrogance, but incorrect about the fights.



    Semi-accurate...but again, probably no more than the average person.



    Sometimes they annoy me, but I don't harbor any secret dislike for them (very few secret feelings in general, actually).



    This is accurate.



    You're wrong about the ambition and stamina, but correct about the great vision.



    Correct about the confidence, but wrong about being high-strung and restless. And wrong about the temper. It usually takes a lot to tick me off IRL; I think I'm fairly mellow. My temper usually displays itself more online rather than in person.



    This is accurate.



    I don't think my family ties are stronger than the average person's.



    You are correct about the main source of my unhappiness. Incorrect about the details.



    I don't think this one is accurate. In fact, one of the things I like best about my friends is that they make me happy and are loyal.



    Correct.



    Correct.



    We'll see. ;)



    This is more accurate, but contradicts your earlier point about their treachery.



    Semi-accurate...I'm probably average in this area.



    Again, I'm probably only average in this area.



    Correct.

    By my count, that's six statements I'd consider accurate, six statements that I'd consider inaccurate, and seven statements that are either semi-accurate, contradict other statements, or just aren't big factors in my life.

    I appreciate you spending time showing me your craft, but I think in this case the evidence indicates that astrology wasn't any more accurate than probability would predict.
     
  3. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    well I'm convinced..............NOT

    astrology has huge validity.
    to me
    my fiance and my charts are very specific, unusual, and eerily predictive of events we have experienced all our lives, and are going through now even.
    you know what it is.......
    Spirit is fuckin with ya
    You are getting an ambiguous and vague reading to support what you believe.
    So thats cool.
     
  4. Zanman

    Zanman Member

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    Zandahar there are always contradictions in life because nothing is the same from day to day. For example, friends can be treacherous and other friends steadfast, and these can change.

    I trust you will recognise you are 24 and perhaps if you revisit my interpretation 20 years from now you might find something more to it.

    I did not use any guesswork or anything I might have deduced from your postings ... I simply used classical astrological rules.

    If your were to study your chart armed with a basic understanding of the rules of astrology you would unlock a wealth of knowledge about yourself, and then you could do my chart.
     
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