No more fighting

I'm seeing this everywhere.

People bashing christians
People criticizing muslims
People insulting pagans
People insulting jews


"My religion is right, yours is wrong!" yell's one person to the other
"No, your religion is wrong! Mine is correct!" someone will yell back

Do we actually think that by sharing our opinion on why we think christians are corrupt, or wether or not muslims are violent that it will actually change someones opinion??

All this causes is more and more fighting...
Sure, almost all of us have been sucked into this "war", Even if we start a post with good intentions, something will be said that causes another argument, which causes another. (I've learned this from experience)
What kind of peaceful hippy community is this, if were still squabling over whos religion is right or wrong?? Well?

~Peace and Love
Matt

 

Live and let live....

 

I pray to the God of common sense and aLOT of people would burn me at the stake if they could get away with it.

 

I never argue my religion over others', or argue others' down. Only discuss, though not many people are interested in it. Ah well ...

 

Your so right that all this bickering and hurling of mutual insults is a total waste of time.


Perhaps it would be better if followers of different spiritual paths and religions would look for what they hold in common rather than arguing and fighting over the differences.

One Divine Reality - many revelations, many paths. Mutual respect and understanding. That seems a better way.

 

You can call it what you want, yet it has no name


It is here now, and it is total love

It comes in many different forms, it transends form

It gives peace, love, contentment, it is the source of all energy


Yet these words only point towards it, it must be experienced inside of you, you must find it, you already ARE IT and there you will find me, all of us, and you will it in all things, you will see how it flows and how it goes, and you will understand it beyond the words, and religion will make sense, yet we must go beyond it...

I'm at your feet, I am lower form of love, a silly BEING, I don't know anything silly. You are a higher form of love that I am devoted to, you know everything.


Deep inside your Being, it is

nameless


9


turn it around


Imagine, thanks baba.

 

Dear God, save me from your followers

Totally agree that the whole thing is really petty and stupid.
Truth is subjective, so something can only be right for you.
Why would we all have been made so diffrently if God wanted us to all be the same in the end anyway?
Religions have virtually the same aims, just diffrent methods of achieving those. So what if someone's using a diffrent map. We'll all wind up at the same place in the end.

 

No, no, continue this conflict! Don't you see? What we have in the Pilosophy/Religion forum is a microcosm of the actual world! Everyone's tryin like hell to get other people to agree with them, an no one's learnin anything or actually makin progress, they're jus bickerin like people do; Christians goin to the Athiest forum with "facts" "from www.creationtruth.com" an Athiests an the like goin to the Christian forum wit "proof" from "www.infidelguy.com", an Jonny2Mad goin to the Islam forum wit www.ifuckinghatemuslims.com, an nearly everyone else is goin to the Muslim's defence sayin that they're not all bad, cuz the Muslim members sure ain't doin a good enuf job with their five hundred thousand quotes from the Koran. This is what happens on the national and global scale every day. Everyone's tryin to get everybody else on their side, 's simple as that, no one's actually tryin to educate or inform or make people more tolerant. 'S all about the fuckin numbers, people.

 

What if everything anyone believes and/or understands about reality is true.

I believe reality is bigger and far more mysterious and incomprehensible than you or I can even imagine. Everyone has a view of reality, but no-one has a complete view of all of reality and it is probably a mistake to think that your view (or mine) is complete.

But, what if, collectively, all of our experience, all of our knowledge, all of our views, all of our beliefs add up to something greater than any one of us could experience or know or see or believe.

What if everyone's truths, whether they are religious, scientific, political, personal, etc. are just a part of a whole, all-inclusive truth?

I can live with that.

 

Yes, exactly!

I find the bickering and fighting annoying, but it would be folly to cease all discussion for fear of a dispute. Yes, sharing opinions and discussing things DOES sometimes affect other's mindsets. But you can't go about it like you described. Gotta try to find the common ground and go from there. Walking in and saying "your islam is evil and wrong, only Jesus saves" won't work at all, it's divisive, it throws up walls faster than you can scale them with your argument, the person you're talking to becomes your opponent, and is automatically on the defensive. But walking in and saying "Look, your god and my god are the same god, both our religions agree on that. We come from the same place, are like squabbling family members. Now, try to see it my way for a second...." that might work. That's like both of you coming out of your intellectual castles and meeting in the field for a parley. Better than hurling word-weapons at one another.

 

I would find this thread so much more uplifting, Theskaeffect, had you not posted that all religions were violent, without exception, except for christianity; and that muslims were the worst.

I only post here in the hope that someone else will come along and actually want to discuss something, most of the time I have to explain to christians, no less, things like "jesus was jewish" and that a lot of the old testament is the torah. I usually have to explain so much, backed up by fact and references when others have little to none, that by the time someone does get where I'm coming from I'm so sick and tired of them I just want to crawl into a hole. What's worse is when they just don't listen, and keep saying the same things, and I feel just as bad as them because I have to keep repeating myself, and theres pages and pages of repetition.

I'm sick of it. You don't need to know ANYTHING to have beliefs, but noone wants to talk about them either. I was so happy when someone wanted to talk about souls and do we have them, but everything I posted he just kept attacking- he wasn't interested, he just wanted everyone to have his viewpoint.

Belief doesn't freaken matter, and that's what people take it down to a lot of the time. They don't care about discussion, if it isn't people agreeing with their limited statements such as "Christmas is jesus' birthday. He died for our sins" and they won't even discuss further because I DOUBT THEYVE EVER CONSIDERED IT. I'm so sick of this. Most of you have such great heads on your shoulders but all thats ever discussed is "Darwin was right" "No, he was wrong", a few interesting, fact filled statements punctuated continuously by less..err..less thought out statements.

Everyones either so hung up on their own belief they won't discuss anything unless its from their own viewpoint, or they're so hung up on being "the smart one" and being right all the time- either way they don't look up what they're saying and it often does turn out to be wrong. It's so stupid. I can, off the top of my head, think of 3 people (I know there's more) who contradict this that post here often and that's trippinBTM (I think, we talked about swear words once, I think its you), occam, and The Dauer.

 

GAAAAAAAHHHHHHH RANT RANT RANT *lets off more steam*

In conclusion, we should get along and still discuss stuff. Or at least discuss stuff which doesn't have to come down to how smart one person is, or how focussed on their own belief they are.

 

What is missing is love.

When you love somebody, if you seem to disagree with them on some point, would you not sit down and talk and try and find a common ground, so that you can continue to coexist smoothly in harmony? Would you not discuss with an aim to ironing out the problem rather than trying to change the person?

Before we post, in this forum especially (since the topics dealt with are so sensitive), we must ensure that we are feeling benevolent, kind, gentle, understanding. Try to see the other person's point of view. Try to be butter, not sandpaper.

loka samastha sukhino bhavantu.

 

Preach on, brother!

 

I don't think the patterns of misunderstanding and closed-ness and self-righteousness are going to stop. It may be a better idea to brainstorm some board-wide strategies for peacably countering the behavior.

Dauer

 

Religion is an emotional subject for people. Consequently any debate on the topic will likely spark emotions. Although I think that if anyone is willing to stick their neck out for their beliefs then they should be able to take the battering. We aren't all necessarily here to agree with eachother, and those who can't defend their beliefs should probably pick their battles.

Like someone else mentioned, it is always good to check your facts before posting. Making wild assumptions or saying things that sound good in theory, but are factually unchecked (basically making stuff up that sounds good to try and prove your point) causes frusteration in the threads, and screws up a lot of good conversation.

However, it is intolerant and rude to come to a religious forum and post something like "why I hate christians" or "all muslims are assholes". We should all be able to give out opinions with tact and respect.

You can always name your thread "Why I dislike the Christian religion" instead of "I hate christians" or "Hypocrisy and Christianity" instead of "All Christian are Hypocrites"

Not to say that I am incapable of the occasional rudeness, but we should always strive to be better, should we not?

 

Firstly, I appologize for the reply your about to rea_ because for some reason the forums wont allow me to type the letter... the one between c an_ e without messing up threa_ an_ moving cursor to a_ress bar. Anyways, I worte this threa_ because i saw all the chil_like bickering that was going on in the forum i ha_ been posting in an_ _eci_e_ that something ha_ to be _one. Besi_es you took what I sai_ an_ completely twiste_ it aroun_. (Lol, im sorry ill have to finish this post later when i can actually type the letter (between c an_ e_))

 

I Love you
You Love me
We're a human family
If youre a pagan a christian a muslim or a jew
Wont you say you love me too!

May The Invisible man or woman you choose to pray to(or not to pray to) bless you and keep you and your loved ones safe tonight.

"And may God bless us, EVERYONE"

 

I wish all the people who actually ACT like jerks would come and read this thread. Maybe they have, but a few that come to mind haven't replied, anyways. Now, I know I'm not perfect but I do try to keep things chill, but some people just like to start shit, won't debate their points and just act like assholes. Maybe we should all just stop engaging these sorts in conversation about these things.

 

Well Disarm, you should find this a bit uplifted seeing as it was inspired by the conversations between you and I. I realised after talking with you that it was impossible to try and make a point, or change somebodys opinion because of the strong beliefs every person has within them. I realised what a jackass some of the people on these forums were being (me included). And I'm just sick of all this bickering, I'd like the philosophy and religions forums to be a place where people can come and discuss issues, not critisize other peoples beliefs.