4D living beings, other universes, not so infinite numbers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x60xZe0Si0&feature=related"]4D World Explained - YouTube

At first I have though that there might be some 4D living beings which can see us, but we can't see them, but we actually don't see any 2D or 1D living beings. So, imo if they would exist, none of us would see eachother.

But then, doesn't it mean it would exist in paraller universe?
If there are 2D living beings, then every flat surface we see would be different universe for them. ( they can't move between them, they would have to move in different dirrection, that doesn't exist in their point of view ). Therefore every 1D point on every 2D surface would be different 1D universe.

So, we, as 3D beings, se our 3D universe and many 2D universes, therefore 4D being might see only their 4D universe and many 3D universes.

How many universes can be there, then?

In our universe, we assume that there can't be bigger number, than amount of atoms in whole space. Because this number would be simply impossibile to store, as there won't be enought atoms describing it.

Now, 4D being would see many 3D worlds, therefore maximum number that could exist in his 4D world, would be the biggest number in single 3D universe multiplied by amount of 3D universes.

So we end up with a paradox, because every new 3D universe in 4D world would allow for existence of more 3D universes (maximum number that can be stored increases), but we don't know how many universes could be there.

Aaand there might be 5D, 6D, etc. universes.

 

idk dude, I dont even know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGguwYPC32I"]4th Dimension Explained By A High-School Student - YouTube

 

Man I need to hire a high school kid to explain confusing shit to me!

 

M theory, which grew out of String Theory suggests 11 different dimensions, what that translates into in terms of possible universes is beyond me.

 

His shirt is in another dimension... It keeps changing.

 

that video was pretty interesting

made me think that salvia took me through 4D space. seriously.


have you seen the video "imagining the tenth dimension?"

 

Yes, but I don't really think time is another dimension. Time just helps us describe dimensions. The video in my first post explained it perfectly. For the 2D living being 3rd dimension also could be time, because it sees us, 3D beings changing in time.

For those which didn't see it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA"]Imagining the Tenth Dimension part 1 of 2 - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBaYMESb8o&feature=relmfu"]Imagining the Tenth Dimension part 2 of 2 - YouTube

 

a 2D being probably doesn't exist, since it's digestive system would cut it in half.

i think ^^that video mentions that. so there probably aren't 4D beings, just because there are 4 or 10 or 11 dimensions

 

What dimension, if any, does the "conscious plane" fall into? Meaning, the experience and development of consciousness. It's factors all reside in the third dimension but it seems like there is an extra quality to it. The more we develop and discover and theorize, assuming we don't all die out (at least not soon) could we potentially "evolve" to the point where we have the keys to change our perceived dimension?

 

alright,, in this universe there isnt a 2nd dimension. or a 1 dimension. if so where and what is it????? those are properties thought of by mankind. nothing lives in a flat line or anything. everything is in 3d. if there is a 4th dimension then what is it?

those dimensions you are talking about in string theory i say are properties of the universe. they arent dimension, the scientists claiming they are are retarded in that way. NOW being a different dimension as in another universe,, there could well be other universes out there. i could possibly see a multiverse in which other universes interact with each other as a "4th" dimension i suppose

 

There's no such thing as 2D beings and there's no such thing as 4D beings. It's all nonsense. 11 dimension string theory is contrived bullshit elaborately dreamed up by theoretical physicists competing for billions of dollars worth of international corporate and government fundings.

 

Prove it.

It is all theoritical. We don't know if it exist or not, but we know that there is possibility.

 

YOU PROVE IT! The burden of proof is entirely yours if you believe in this fantasy bullshit! Please explain the 'possibility' of a 2D being.

4D is nothing more than an idea, a false idea about space-time. If you believe that 4D is real then you believe the universe that existed 5 minutes ago, 5 years ago and every second of all time actually still exists somewhere in space. Time is not a dimensional shift, time is the progress of movement, the universe is always changing. 5 minutes ago no longer exists - ANYWHERE. Same as the 5Th Dimension, possibilities are just that, possibilities... There is not an ACTUAL universe for EVERY possibility you can think of. You're living in fantasy land if you think so.

 

i was looking up black holes, and they said 4d is going almost light speed.
"If you believe that 4D is real then you believe the universe that existed 5 minutes ago, 5 years ago and every second of all time actually still exists somewhere in space"

actually high gravity masses distort time and space, slowing it down or speeding it up. i think it's possible that the universe in the past to some degree does exist somewhere. now about there being a universe of every possible thing you can think of, i agree with you there. im sure there are diff universes w/ diff laws of physics though.

 

Well...Thanks. It's all crystal clear now. :willy_nilly:

 

One fantasy I've had about beings that can see us but we can't see them relates to time perception.... how animals percieve time..... for example a snail can't percieve things as quickly as we can.... if something moves too fast past a snail it doesn't even know it was there something as fast as a snap of the fingers for us does not even enter into the snail's perception however as our perception is faster we would notice it and percieve it... now all living things have a different speeds of perception... I have sometimes imagined that there could be an animal, bug or whatnot that moves too fast for us to percieve it.... yet to it we would all be stationary objects like trees... and if there is any correlation between time perception and life span... then these creatures could live out their whole lives and die within the milliseconds it takes a human brain to percieve any information from the senses.

This isn't really what this topic is about but as I read through the topic most of my thoughts were already touched on in other posts..... with great respect to FlyingFly who's thoughts I found most worthy of consideration I would say that I think that time is another dimension... simply put we know things exist through time.
In fact I would go so far as to say that the world as we know it or perceive it is not 3D but rather 4D because all that is 3D is actually travelling through time, or "4D".... and in fact we do percieve this and deal in this 4th dimension of time and we ousrselves are not simply a 3D object as you surely must know you have also existed in previous time as well as you exist now.... it is curious to me that this be the dimension you reject, the dimesion that we all exist in, that all 3D exists in ie. time. Time to me is as tangible as height, width and depth.... we even measure it with conceptual measurements just as we do with space.
Your point about "For the 2D living being 3rd dimension also could be time, because it sees us, 3D beings changing in time." gave me much food for thought but as 2D is not tangible in 3D it doesn't stand to reason that anything in 2D sees us changing in time at all, just as we move through any 2D space without tangibility we would also move through any 2D "object" without tangibility... I imagine time moves through 3D space and objects without tangibility.... yet again I do not believe we exist in 3D but rather in 4D as time is just as tangible to us as any other lesser dimension.... so does that mean that the 5th dimension (whatever that may be, alternate paths in time, alternate universes, whatever) seems like it is passing through time to us? It doesn't stand to reason to me yet it's a thought that stretches the brain muscle and for that I FUCKING LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yeah, I've also though about that. I think Lewis used this idea in his book.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Space_Trilogy

If such creatures exist we would be able to spot them on high-speed cameras. And as we haven't yet, it means that they:
-don't exist
-weren't at that moment in that place
-move even faster than ultra-high-speed camera captures frames

Michio Kaku explained nicely what time is in his opinion in one of his videos. I can't remind it, but maybe it will trigger something in your brain if you watched it...

Why I discard it as dimension.
It might fit somehow to the idea of 'dimension', but in my opinion it differs.

Time isn't physical, time doesn't exist as matter or anti-matter. We aren't enough technologically advanced to operate with time. We can only measure abstract 'earth-time'. We aren't even sure if we are measuring it properly.

Because we aren't that advanced we can't be sure what you can or can not do with time. Maybe you are right, but basic it onthe knowledge we currently have I can't agree that time is a dimension.

If it would, it wouldn't exist as 3rd or 4th dimension. It is always there. No matter about how multi-dimensional world we are speaking about. It isn't 'dimension' then. It is something that co-exist with every other dimension. We might not have proper word to describe it yet.

I FUCKING LOVE YOU TOO!!! :grouphug:
:rofl:

 

Well the thing is 1D and 2D do not exist as matter or anti matter either .... for that matter. Also if any dimensions exists at all they are all always there. Have you heard of atomic time?

Also in the interest of my interest in you, may I ask how old you be? Also are you as sexy as you are smart?

 

I think I've ran out of arguments against.
But it is interesting. It might explain why our dimension is the only one where life exists. Life is based on evanescence. And there can be no evanescence without time.

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The proper question would be if I am as smart as sexy.
Its not bad... could be better but isn't bad...

 

Damn it.

When did kids get so smart and nice?

If you were twice that age I'd be in e-love.

Love your style. xxoo.