Police state America (Fixed)

There's lots of people and groups who speak "for" occupiers.

This is a "unite and conquer" strategy, ironically-when people want occupy to be a single sitting duck of a target, legally and politically.

Powers that be would have little problem discrediting occupy, and/or staging stuff to make it an illegal group. You have one pepper-sprayed person flail and hit a cop in his lip, and the occupy "party" is an illegal orginisation that hates america.

Just like anonymous.

Occupy stands AGAINST delegates who can not really and do not really repersent their people, occupy does not need to start using the same methods. Occupy is where you can go to have a voice, take part in the assembly, and have a bearing on the decisions, not where some suit-and-tie decides which points he cares about, and how to use them to make political choices that benefit him.

The whole point is that anyone can do it and by their participation personally add their demands to the list-once enough big things are fixed the group would obviously dwindle out.

Again: the whole point is that it's not a party, it's not going to have an "ambassador", anything like that, there is no one demand, it's an outcry against generalized political and capital abuses by those in power-stop the abuse, and the outrcy will end, there is no one guy who has a list of "demands". There are many groups and parties that occupy supports or rallies behind, THEY have the ambassadors, occupy is not meant to be that.

 

I agree that there are those in power that want to make the Occupy movement illegal. That is why at all cost we have to support it and convert people to support them as well and not just in spirit, but openly as well. We need a unified majority of the country openly supporting the Occupy movement. Even if it means closing down schools, places of work, and stopping traffic.

But we're at the crux of it becoming a movement that no one is listening to anymore. They're clearing out camps daily, legally. They're stifling voices except online and that will soon come to pass too. They tolerate people like us because we're not calling for a revolution. However there is only two ways this can turn out in favor of those who support actual change. It will either be through a massive act of civil disobedience or it will be through a bloody revolution. If we can choose the former we will most likely need a delegate of the Occupy movement, an ambassador, to speak for what we stand for in order to get people to join us before it turns bloody. Because if Occupy fails the only way we will be able to evoke any powerful change will be through violence.

War is coming one way or the other. Its time we pick a side. There is nothing else that can be done when corporations run the country and the planet towards destruction while everyone else just watches.

 

There won't be any revolution soon enough to save us I'm afraid, we're already too divided. Thats what happened to the movement, too many things wrong with politics, wallstreet, government, the environment, the neberu star colliding with the fucking planet ...lol etc...
too many fingers pointing too many different ways, we're splintered into a million pieces... and no matter how we try to represent what may be wrong to the general public, the cognitive dissonance created by the dis-information machinery (mainstream media) has outright killed rational fact-based debate in this country...combined with the fact that most TV viewing Americans have extremely fore-shortened attention spans...

The big powers that be have achieved their goal (or did we do all the work for them?) we as a people are more divided than we have ever been...

Basically I'd say we're pretty much fucked.

When the world economic crisis finally catches up with us, there will be civil unrest due to severe dollar collapse followed by extreme police-state style crack downs or even possible occupation....then my friends, there will be blood...

 

^^^ This ^^^



Sadly.

 

Give up if you wish. Use your intellect to persuade yourself there is no hope. Argue against the revolution, we all know is necessary, to placate your inactivity. Sound philosophical as you display your complacency.

This is a very big problem. I have met too many similar to this. It takes intelligence to fully understand the implications of what is transpiring these days. Unfortunately, I find that too many people of intellect will use that intellect to convince themselves there is no hope and, therefore, no point in fighting back.

Wake up. We Win. For we are many and they are few...

 

There are points of agreement.

Please do not let the splintering divide us here.

We have a common goal. Let's keep that our focus.

 

EDITED OUT FLAME (lol nothing personal), you're the kind calling for riots...go ahead light some fires, break some windows, doesn't take much intellect or forethought, just a bit of righteous indignation, hmm?

Don't dare accuse me of complacency or inaction, I've been awake and involved long before you stopped shitting yellow... I've written and performed political theater on the street during the Iran-Contra days, had a stint in local politics, worked with occupy from the beginning.

The Juggernaut called the world financial crisis is far bigger that most can imagine, including me. Again, revolt all you want, you can't just throw bodys at the cogs of the machine hoping to stop the works.
(A massive general strike might bog it down enough to make 'm take notice, but organizing such a strike would be nearly impossible, folks are far too spoiled to endure even the mildest privation these days.)

I haven't lost hope, I will continue to fight, but right now IMO it's time to wait and see...wonder what malarkey they'll try to shove down our throats before election time...another false flag anyone?

 

Or two... There's plenty of time.

 

You're right about that.

 

exactly right on point!

 

I never called for a riot. Do not try and skewer my words to put me down and cast a negative light on what I have to say. I believe the post you are referring to is one where I said "The lesson here is that riots work," right? Not quite the same as calling for one. However, if the circumstances warranted it, I would because, unfortunately, the peaceful means of getting government attention don't always work.

And while you may be angry with me, its possible, just a little, that my statement can/has helped to jar some people out of stasis.

Yes your statement is what prompted my response, but I do not presume to know you nor what you were doing while I was shitting different shades. It was somewhat of a general statement born out of reading yours. I apologize if I offended that was/wasn't my intention especially if you have been fighting the good fight while I was watching sesame street.
So what say, I buy you a drink and we propose a toast to Aerianne's wise words :cheers2:

 

:cheers2: Cheers

 

:cheers2:

It's no good to divide ourselves.

 

Doesn't surprise me at all. Not long now and they will be locking these folks up for using their free speech.

 

They just locked up a Vet for saying some stuff on facebook that went against the government.... Sent him to a mental ward and held him against his will. So it's already happening. From what I read he said nothing that was a direct threat.

 

"3 shots & a cot":daisy:

Linky?

 

bastards.

 

you should watch the videos of the toronto G20 protests... no different.

 

i think it is the govt that is divided and
there-in is confusion and struggle . the authority faction
is dying . don't vote for it , and then don't worry .

authority dies from uselessness .

 

Here's one....

http://rt.com/usa/news/chesterfield-veteran-facebook-arrest-106/


I heard about in an email, so I haven't read this news report, but this is the story.