This movie was sooo confusing! ok i get it...54 high school girls jump into the path of an oncoming subway train...and people all over japan start killing themselves...and there's a skin roll popping up everywhere with the suicidees skin chunks on it...and there's a suicide club compromised of little children who ask "are you connected to?" and a real annoying pop band called Dessart that supposedly make you want to kill yourself. and some drag queen dude that sings and rapes girls and shit...i understand that it's about fads and how people are so easily caught up with them, but this was the most inconclusive movie ive ever seen! what's with the website and the dots? why were ppl killing themselves?? either i'm dense, or this was just a poorly explained movie...anyone have any ideas???
Well, I've seen the beginning where the 54 chicks jump in front of the train, but then I just left the room and did other stuff, so I can't really help you out. But my advice is this: it's Japanese, so don't strain yourself thinking about it. I've seen too many Japanese movies that make no sense and are inconclusive.
That is SOOOOO TRUE! It's been my experience as well, with Japanese movies. And it seems that every time someone recommends one, they rave about how cool it was, or how disturbing (in a desirable way), or how scary... and then I rent them and the end up SUCKING. Japanese movies are made for a mindset that is utterly alien to a western (American) mindset. I really think Japanese people don't think the same as we do. -Jeffrey
I understand many Japanese movies, then again, I grew up multicultural,so that doesn't really count. I've noticed that the IQ average by orientals is higher then in the west, so they make more complex movies and stuff, which most western people can't comprehend,+they have a different culture. I didn't see this movie yet, so I can't help ya' sorry...^^; But I understand why the movie could be about suicide. Since that is a MAJOR problem over there, mostly due to schools being to challenging...(They've got 10 hours of school 6 days a week and still get homework , the teachers are extremely strict, I wouldn't like to go to their schools... I'd suicide if I'd go to a school like that too ya' know....) What's the movie rated?
Jeez, could you make a more grandiose claim and leave it more unsubstantiated?! There are about 1.5 billion Chinese people -- the vast majority of whom live in poverty, with no education. Are you saying that they innately have more intelligence than the typical westerner? I'm sorry, but your claim -- especially with no research or citation to back it up -- is LAUGHABLE!!
quote: There are about 1.5 billion Chinese people -- the vast majority of whom live in poverty, with no education. Are you saying that they innately have more intelligence than the typical westerner? hey dude, it's a JAPANESE movie - what are YOU talking about?
this movie kinda reminded me of 'twin peaks: fire walk with me' i was left discombobulated and confused
Check the original post, dude. He mentioned ORIENTAL PEOPLE. Chinese people are oriental, yes? If he'd said Japanese, that would be one thing, although I still don't recall any proof offered that they too are just of higher average intelligence than "westerners." Besides, the claim is itself a preposterous stereotype, probably based on the fact that many people seem to encounter above-average educated Japanese and Chinese people in the U.S. If we said the same thing about Africans being LESS intelligent, (or phrased it that westerners are more intelligent on average than they typical African) people would scream bloody murder! -Jeffrey
yes ryupower does say: " I've noticed that the IQ average by orientals ..." but he also states: " I understand many Japanese movies" i wouldve inferred that he was referring to japanese people with the term "oriental" lets ask him hey ryupower - are you saying orientals intelligence overall is higher, or japanese people specifically? i agree tho, its an incendiary statement. i havent even seen this goddamn movie, i was just reading the posts!
IQ seems to be based on poverty levels. In the US both Koreans and Japanese score higher than average on IQ tests. But in Japan where Koreans are very discriminated against, thought of as violent and stupid, Koreans score around 15 points lower than average for the country. But here in the US, yes Japanese are usually 'more intelligent' when looking at IQ tests. http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-inferiorIQ.htm PJ, do you have some sort of information source you are quoting for the vast majority part of that speech? Or is it just a bit of common knowledge like the quote that you were responding to? LOL
In reply to the original quote (and to stop feeding the troll). Japanese movies, most oriental movies for that matter, are left sort of open. They are meant to be more thought provoking than western cinema. Western cinema is meant to turn off the brains of the audience, Asian film, and a lot of Indi film for that matter, leave open ends with no closure, as sort of a thought provoking... something to keep the watcher satisfied long after the movie is over. If you notice the Ring did this nicely, and wasn't too dumbed down for American audiences (most asian film that makes it here is dumbed down, so we feel 'complete' when the movie is over. Hope that helped, I know it didn't give you much about the movie in specific, but I hope it gave you a little help for Asain/Indi film in general.
Yes, overall it's higher, OVERALL, there are alot of oriental countries : Japan, Korea,Thailand,China etc... The reason why lots of chinese people live in Poverty is because their country is overpopulated. here are the average IQ scores from different countries: http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm Notice that Taiwan and Hong Kong is very high in scores, but China is not? And here is a dictionary entry, which even states that they are higher in IQ. http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/IQ
I got this from a site completly devoted to films like Suicide Club... http://www.mandiapple.com/snowblood/index2.htm Check it out if you really enjoyed this film. "I got a sense that the director was complaining that Japanese culture has very little self-worth, that they have 'lost the connection to themselves', yet remain fully connected to serve the rest of the world. And if this were true, suicide would be easily accomplished, since you have little love or care for yourself. When I discovered this, I realized the movie was not a plea for you to kill yourself, but a demand to loveyourself. No wonder it is innocent children behind the plot - children who have yet to be brainwashed by society, and ironically, use the finger of the media to cleanse the adult world - the already brainwashed. Is this a revolution for a new Japan? I wonder." - Jay Goodman I just wanted to add something that might give a little insight Or just see what you think about this comment. Please give me your ideas. ~Fooj~
I liked the American 'The Ring' better but I liked the tape better in the Japanese version Also, "They are meant to be more thought provoking" that's why The Village was so ill-perceived. That is a great fuckin' movie
I totally agree with this post, i mean, the western cinema in general, and the American cinema in particular has the stupid idea that every single watcher is stupid and doesn't leave any scape to imagination. I love Suicide Club, i watched it two years ago, completely alone at home, recommended by a friend, and it was the most confusing and disturbing movie i had ever seen, the singer in the movie is Rolly, who is almost an idol to Japanese, and the song he sings on the movie is incredible, i love it hehehe. Anyway, the movie is totally made to disturb you, and another thing to think of is that for Japanese society and culture, suicide is not such a bad thing like in our culture, we're educated on some religious and cultural concepts totally different. For them, suicide is not a "non-honour" exit, and in fact the statistics about Japanese suicidal is incredible. His society is based on lonely schems. Another movie i recommend is Kairo, where they talk about the problem of loneliness and isolation in life and death, it's very curious. I adore Suicide Club, and everytime we have the chance we make someone else watch the movie to include another red or white point to the list, haha. Have you lost the connection with yourself? Are you connected to yourself? Because deeeeeeeaaaaaaath is a shine all night loooooooooonnggggggg
And here i totally disagree with the first statement about the ring, the american one imo is shit and the Japanese is much more frightening, but i agree about "the village" thing, i liked this movie very much, but i think they failed on the promotion thing, because everybody was waiting for an horror movie and it isn't. But it is a movie very interesting, it makes you thing about the reasons that made them abandone the society and if the results are good or bad, it's so good when a movie gives some food to your brain and not just wash it with all that national shit and all.
i thought the village tried too hard. the promo for the movie on the sci fi channel was actually better, i thought. but i do agree with you migle, with how the promotion failed because i felt the sci fi promo was very misleading. but eh whatever...
