What do you tell people when they ask you why you don't believe in God?

I would say that it's none of anybody else's business what I believe or don't believe, and that if people would stop trying to force their religion on others, we'd all be better off.

Besides, there is no proof one way or the other; it is what it is. We exist. Period. What people should be concerned about is trying to get through life as painlessly as possible and to help others do the same. Stand up for what is right, and stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves.

Love one another applies whether you believe or not. However, that doesn't mean that you should keep letting people take advantage of you in any way, shape, or form; that "turn the other cheek" theory just gets you crapped on over and over and in my opinion, shows either naiveté or stupidity.

Still, all the individual acts of love and kindness in the world won't change human nature. It's kind of like housework; you just have to keep doing it over and over because doing it once doesn't last.

 

I don't believe in a "god" per se, but i do believe in spirits and souls. I believe we never truly die. There's a lot more to my beliefs but i'd rather not go into detail about them now and i'm sure nobody wants to read endless amounts of ranting and rambling

So, when people ask me if i believe in God. I say no, but i do believe there is much more than just us 'humans' out there. Whether that be aliens, spirits, or both. (i think both)

 

I ask why they assume I don't?

Then I ask them to define what their assumptions are about God based upon the writings of man they seem to like using for an interpretation of "Him"???

 

I personally dislike religion, everything about it irritates me for some reason. Some religions more than others.... They seem so filled with hatred towards everybody who doesn't agree with them, and they're the furthest thing from open-minded for the most part.. it all seems like a scam or some demented cult to me, i hate going to church (have only been to church twice in my life, both of which i was forced)

I believe everyone should be a free thinker believing what they like, instead of following some ancient book written by people who knew next to nothing.

 

I simply tell people who ask that I find it impossible to believe in the entity described in the holy texts of the followers of the god of Abraham. But if I feel like getting all wordy about it, and just because it's fun and not because it describes my only beef with the whole goofy fiction:

The god of Abraham is by definition omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. He can do absolutely anything, anywhere, at any time, with no limits whatsoever. He knows everything about everything in every time, from beginning to end, and has always known all of it. He has a plan for each and every one of us, and he will not allow us to change his plan. He not only knows when I'll make my next spelling mistake, he's planned for me to make it and there's nothing I can do to prevent it. If he wants you to know of it, he'll diddle my spelling checker or blind me to the red squiggly line that says, "Hey, you heathen idiot, you made a boo-boo".

He's one awesome dude, that god guy, and he's infallible, too. A perfect being who knows no limits does not make mistakes. His computer doesn't even have a spelling checker in it because by god if he spells it that way it's fucking well right.

Along comes a serpent, a snaky dude that god his own self created, into the garden of eden, and says, "Hey, Eve! Ever wonder why you got a clitoris? Have some fruit and find out!". Bingo bango bongo, free will came into being and we've been punished for it ever since.

Now, what kind of a malicious shithead does something like that? He knew all along that if he made that snake and that fruit and that clitoris that our shit was going to go all wrong for us, but he went ahead and did it anyway. What a malicious fuck, setting us up to fail like that just so he could punish us. (My mother did that shit to me all the time when I was a kid, but she's a psychopath who got off on beating hell out of me. The two of 'em have a lot in common, I think.)

Okay, fine. God's a psychotic fuck who gets off on punishing us. This is inconsistent with the whole god loves each and every one of you thing, but if that's his plan and he's getting his nut, fine. He gets a pass. He's a prick, but at least he's there for the time being. We've got our free will and we get punished for it, but at least we get to fuck ourselves silly in between plagues and pestilence and famines.

The guy goes along bashing us with locusts and shit, fucking with Abraham's head in the worst way, making queers and teaching us to hate them for being as he made them, turning Lot's ole lady into a pillar of salt, and all that happy crappy. He's a precocious dude, but so far he gets to stick around. And in the dude's favor, by this point he's invented wine, still the world's most effective aphrodisiac, so we got to fuck ourselves even sillier and then wake up with a hangover.

Then one day he gets a bug up his ass. He goes to Noah and says, "Dude, you gotta build me a big fuckin' boat, man. A BIG fuckin' boat, man, big enough to hold two of every fucking thing that lives". And Noah, knowing that god is a dude to be reckoned with, builds him a boat and rounds up the critters. God's fixin' to blow the whole thing away because it's all evil, and start over with just the parts that ain't evil of which there are very few.

I can relate on some level to this. I'm a programmer, and every now and then I write a bug into my code that's a real bitch to find. A couple or three times I've got so frustrated that I pitched most of a project into the bit bucket and started over with just the parts that I knew worked properly. It's a drastic measure, but when you somehow manage to fuck a thing up really badly it's faster to start over than it is to fix what you've got. I hate doing it, really really really hate doing it, because it means that at some point in my work I did something stupid and while that thing might be stupid it's smarter than I am because I cannot find it to fix it. Eh, I'm a fallible human so I make mistakes and sometimes they're big mistakes. Like going back home again after I ran away or my first three marriages. Shit happens.

But god? The perfect and infallible dude who can do anything at all with no limits of any kind and who knows everything about everything in every time from beginning to end?

He just admitted that he doesn't exist. If he's fallible he's not perfect, and if he's not perfect he's not god. Yet here he is blowing the whole project away and starting over with just the pieces that he knows work right. Either he's infallible and there was no flood because he didn't fuck Earth up so badly that it needed to be started over, or he's fallible and not a god, and not there, at all. But the flood is an essential story in the sacred texts, so he's only as real as Santa Claus, who in his original incarnation was a fiction designed to scare hell out of little children and only much later became the spokesmodel for rampant consumerism. Or only as real as Fat Tommy's Canadian girlfriend who only ever called when Fat Tommy was home alone and whose only letter was written in a hand indistinguishable from Fat Tommy's own but with the i's dotted with little hearts.

I wonder: Do ugly Canadian chicks tell their friends about their American boyfriends who only ever call when they're home alone?

 

it isn't something big, friendly and invisible i don't believe in. it's what humans pretend to know about something big, friendly and invisible.

 

Next time someone asks me I'll answer that I do but just not in yours.

 

I hate that question. I basically turn it around and say I don't believe in God for the same reason you don't believe in Thor.

 

I just point out we are almost the same. We live in a world where they have been thousands or tens of thousands of gods and they have rejected all but the one they accept. All I have done is to believe in one less god than they do.

 

God is Love
Love is God
make a resting place
in your heart
for Love/God

 

I just do the a town stomp then I drop it down to the ground then put it their face and ask them what they are going to do

 

Marx said, 'Religion is the opiate of the masses'. When we all start to realize that the Earth and our short life of consciousness is all that is we will rise up and demand justice and equality from the elite that hold the Holy books over us like magical wands. Someday people will realize that we have been hypnotised with fear while generations of wealthy elite are stealing our resources and indebting our children. Goverments of the world, those with the wealth and power to tax and call up armies, have the masses in a catch 22. Use the holy books as a guide for living and follow the lessons of compassion, justice, charity but dont use those lessons agaisnt those in power. Keep them seperated. A perfect example is the religious right who are against nationalized healthcare. WWJD? The godless liberal democrats are for giving healthcare to the masses. The 'godly' religous right are against it. Let the poor pray for miracles, suffer and die. Whats wrong with this picture?

 

I try to explain it like this...

If god loves everyone equally then why do some suffer and some thrive? Someone told me that god chooses your life for you and chooses who you fall in love with, so with that knowledge i know that god chose for me to be raped, he chose for me to be in a relationship with an abusive man, yet for others he chose happy relationships and happy lives? He also then must choose to let thousands of people die daily at the same time as chosing to let some nations become obese..That doesn't seem very equal to me.

 

I'm sorry but that doesn't seem like knowledge to me. I don't think you accept everything you are told as truth right? :2thumbsup:

 

I ask which god than point out I have just rejected one more than they have in most cases, and for the same reasons they rejected all those other gods.

 

Its not does God love you

GOD IS LOVE

LOVE IS GOD

WE ... you and me

make a resting place

in our hearts

for GOD / LOVE


We are the ones who either chose to be evil or good..

we have the free will to choose..

LOVE IS GOD

we can have the LOVE / GOD in us if we so choose


satan is evil

but satan is not a person .. evil is satan just as opposite God is Love

God is what we make God

satan is what we make satan

evil is not good and good is not evil

satan is not God and God is not satan

kinda simple stuff that people choose to either understand or not


before we came to earth in these bodies we knew what we were going to go thru and we created dejavues for us to remind us from whence we came and to where we will return

Those remeberances let us know that our time here is what we chose to experience.

I once met a poor black man walking down the freeway in missiissippi and i was driving a kinda nice RV i pulled over and offered him a ride and he said But mamme i am just a poor black man why would you give me a ride when no one else would! i told him to get in because he chose the harder life and i was here to deliver him to his next destination.. he got in and along we went

before that i met a carney who i knew wanted to rape and rob me.. we were driving thru texas at the time i told him how the spirits above were watching all we did and he had tried to get me to drive off the road where he could rob me.. i told him he didn't have to do what i knew he wanted to do.. he then cried to me and told me to please drop him off at a salvation army in a town ahead and he was crying yet before he had shown me his big long knife and well he told me i helped him to know the truth and he had to go reveal what he had done at the slvation army.

I also picked up 1 mexican who i also knew he wanted to rob me but then i picked up three more hitchikers who were mexican and they too wanted to rob me and they argued in spanish about who was going to do it and when and where and well i eventually drove to a rest area and told them that was as far as i was going. There were many people there and they knew they couldn't do anything to me so they got out and grumbled and i then ate and drove off.

You see if it was meant for me to be killed or raped etc etc then so be it that is what i had chosen previously before coming to earth in this body. But my spirit lives forever my time here on earth is but a drop in the bucket of my spiritual existence.

Jesus told us to worry not for all things here on earth. We are to carte but not to worry.. that is what he wanted us to follow.. not people but those who are in the next world and who use to be in this one.. some of them even want us to finish unfinished work for them. So we give up our bodies to serve those above who have unfinished work here on earth

we stay open to hearing as jesus said let those who can hear hear.

i know the words i say are meant for me.. if the words i say speak to another then i know its not from me but i am just the surrendered vehicle for that message from those in the next world who reach that person. The words i say are mostly meant for me to here if it speaks to another then so be it..

 

basically if someone thinks, because i don't believe in THEIR idea of a god, that i don't believe in anything that could be called a god, they are essentially mistaken.

i do not wish to be unkind nor inconsiderate to anything that may happen to exist, but i question the mental and moral state both, of anything that would want to be worshiped, whatever it might have created, or how. i understand how small i stand to such an existence, none the less, while this may imply to it some great power, perfections it does not fallow to imply as well.

 

Because all fetuses are physically unisex in the beginning of their development and then at a specific moment an influx in hormones diverges their development to a male or female.


But this divergence does not occur until after nipples develop so both males and females have nipples.

 

I tell them religion could never answer any of my questions and because science does so much for the world while religion just seems to hold back our forward progress.

Then they usually tell me if I don't find the answers I seek in religion then I must be asking the wrong questions.

This is usually where the conversation goes downhill