Are you your brain?

The universe is consciousness, humans are the only ones on this planet to have the special gift of having full self reflection of that consciousness.

The rocks are being, the plants and animals are celebrating, and the humans are knowing.

 

If personality is a function of the mind, you are your brain.

Traumatic brain injury, and Alzheimer's disease (a disease of the brain) both affect personality.

 

thedope:

I know a tree doesn't know it's a tree. Others may not. :-D

Yes, because it remains open to qualification. The statement
"We are our brains alone" is not.

When the humble sponge is of a mind to make it known to me,
I shall, with all regard, humbly reconsider my position. :-D

Is necessity necessary? It can be argued that all we can finally know is need, yet the mind is not its own freedom. The celebration of the body answers to the problem of pain.

As opposed to being conscious in itself.

By degrees without doubt, and, theoretically, by love.

It is no exception when all we know is life.

My bodily function is not an active state of knowing, only my consciousness of it.

It can and is because our perceptions are not fixed. Knowledge is knowing, is ongoing, is shared.


Inthydreams911:

I'd like to know that. Until I do, I affirm life over the universe itself! :-D

 

The tree knows it is part of a forest, especially the older wiser ones. So say the redwoods.

I am surprised you have not met your spongy self, that you had never known a sponge.

No, it is not.

The peak experience is gratitude.

I am a bit rusty on the power of celebration then because when I identify myself as a body I become depressed. It is a shabby home for those who abhor bondage.

I am not part of the universe?

So perception is not knowledge but can lead to it.

Is mineral alive?

So, you consciously dictate your hearts rhythm? I think the body adjusts seamlessly to any activity we want to put it too, without being told what to metabolize and when. We are born with genetic (inherent) modeling. Billions of years of being shared.

 

Remind me to read this thread the next time I get cid

 

thedope:

It is quite possible you know more than I.

I am reflective, but never to abstraction. It's not my fault! :-D

I have an idea it is joy.

We only fully identify as selves. I abhor bondage, so why is it that celebration seems to me the only way to realize the freedom of the body, the activity over any other that could engage our mind at every stage?

If the universe were conscious in itself, we'd be it.

No, perception is knowledge. Knowledge always leads to more.

Are you a solid? Our knowledge doesn't crystallize, but is communicated.

Knowledge is a conscious activity. It is perception in all cases. I don't restrict it to the self, as the self arises through the body; consciousness always tends towards the self.

The body doesn't know what to do, it simply does it. The instinct of all life is not towards its preservation, at least not directly, but expansion of expression.

 

Perhaps I only think differently. As you say, a tree grows. If you want to determine the verity of what I have said, watch it grow.

The mind is naturally abstract. Not a fault, more a talent.

And no joy more profound for me than to realize that I am loved.

Realization, is a freedom of the mind, not the body. The body is quite dependent on circumstance.

If we only fully identify as selves, then to identify oneself as a body is a limit in perspective, an incomplete view of self. My admission is that when I identify myself as a body, I become depressed. When I identify myself as a body, then I find myself without.

You are quite correct that to occupy with celebration leaves depression without an occupation. I have great enthusiasm for the day but I have degenerative inflammatory disease. My normal appreciation of things leads me to pain. The redundancy of it, (pain,) leads me at times to distraction.

Do not judge by appearances but rather use right judgement. There is no such thing as a little knowledge, but there is such a thing as limited perspective. Perspective is the angular focus of perception. Perception is not knowledge but knowledge flows freely into an open mind.

Our thoughts are shared.

Knowledge is fluid as you say. Perception is in fact a result of crystallization, neural net modeling. Every time we look at a chair for instance, we see a chair. We see a chair because of neural routing, a crystalline structure that shunts stimulus into the same pathway time after time. A crystals angular facets transduce energy in a consistent predictable fashion which is why crystals are used in timepieces.

When we learn something new, new neural routes are established. Perception is the result of established practices. These established practices can be likened to dust accumulating on the window of knowledge. We constantly must cleanse the windows of perception in order to see clearly.

Thinking is a conscious activity. It is not perception, or interpretation of stimulus, in all cases.

The self animates the body. Animus animates animal.

Doesn't adequately account for the knitting of wounds. Why not simply bleed when the bleeding starts?

 

If you got the cid it's time to read and interpret for us.

 

thedope:

Everyone thinks differently, and not just so that we reach eachother in thought! A tree grows, but it doesn't know.

Realization is a freedom of mind and body, through the self. The mind, never without the body, is just as subject to circumstance. The difference is that it can subject circumstance to itself. This is the only sense in which mind is in any way held over matter. Perspective, knowledge.

Without a body? :-D Personally, I would never have anyone identify themselves as a 'body', for when it's not being done in fun, it is boring to the point of distraction. All I'm saying is there's no real harm in doing so.

I hate the thought of you in pain. My hatred may yet be good for something. Strangely, I am not an enemy of pain, or even death, yet I will remain their destroyer, even in being overtaken by them. The world has not reached a point where it needs to become a hospital - for healing to take precedence where it may become unncessary, celebration would have to assume a world-wide simultaneity. My problem is I don't know how to make it happen. I want it to though, more than anything.

This suggests there can be no clear judgement of appearance,
as though perspective can never be what it is without subsequent interpretation. Knowledge is perspective precisely because it cannot be finalized in itself.

I say we only need draw back the curtains of 'interpretation' to do so.
I don't view knowledge upon knowledge as so much accumulated dust, rather an inevitability revealing perspective to lie behind all knowledge, and not really even "behind" it, but to be its self-same foundation.

If I thought perspective synonymous with interpretation, rather than knowledge, I'd say the same.

The self comes to do so. Firstly it has to arise from matter become so complex its further organization has to be conscious. Life evolves as much as it is created.

Because the instinct is to expand expression overall.

 

You think a tree has no state of awareness?
A tree has being that is shared dynamically. It has a sexual life.

The mind is a considerable circumstance. Body provides a platform for integrated being. Being precedes body. Being was before bodies coalesced and intent is force around which bodies collect. Further, the residue of an individual mind far outlasts the residue of the sames physical body.

I give you we need a body as long as any body will do.

What about conquests of physical strength?

If depression is not harmful

It is not my suggestion.
Perception is always interpretation.

Perspective in theory of cognition is the choice of a context or a reference (or the result of this choice) from which to sense, categorize, measure or codify experience, cohesively forming a coherent belief, typically for comparing with another. One may further recognize a number of subtly distinctive meanings, close to those of paradigm, or point of view.

To choose a perspective is to choose a value system and, unavoidably, an associated belief system. When we look at a business perspective, we are looking at a monetary base values system and beliefs. When we look at a human perspective, it is a more social value system and its associated beliefs.

I don't understand.

 

No self-awareness that I know of.

I don't understand. What is this being that precedes body? In what does it exist? The universe, though infinite, is still a body. I do not equate endlessness with formlessness.

What about them?

Is there pressure outside yourself to identify yourself as a body?

I disagree. Consciousness evolves.

Nothing you've written has persuaded me that knowledge is not perspective.

You don't need to. It's instinct. Bleeding to death is not part of it. :-D

 

Depends on how you define self-awareness. There is self aware as in distinct from other selves and there is self awareness in the form of self integrity. A tree as you say doesn't know that it is a tree, as tree is our arrangement for a type of plant, but the tree has being that responds to stimuli.

"The self comes to do so. Firstly it has to arise from matter become so complex its further organization has to be conscious. Life evolves as much as it is created."

Physical conquest can be just as influential to circumstance.

There is not one thing that is done by and large that is not done for the body. People form an immediate impression according to the way a person looks. Sexual dimorphism plays a profound role in our sense of identity. I am not immediately identifiable by personality, but put a name to a face and you could pick me out from a crowd.

Is emergent.

I had detected a level of determination on your part.

What informs instinct?

 

i will never die, i will live my life...

 

thedope:

That the self firstly has to arise from matter doesn't in any way indicate that being precedes body.

As the mind possessing what is circumstantial to it? How just as influential in discerning the contrast at all?

The feeling of increase in power.

orison:

I support you in this endeavour. :-D




edit: About the trees, they may be stuck-up sex-addicts, but I love them. And that's as far as I go towards understanding their being-hood.

 

There is no requirement that matter become self. Energy was before mass.

I mean how is the mind distinct from the body in the ability to subject circumstance to itself?

Isn't feeling an increase in power, awareness?

 

That matter needn't become self does not mean being precedes body. How are mass and energy anything but inseparable? That is to say, insuperable by oneanother.

The universe is an idea in all instances of conception, but this does not, to my mind, preclude its physical infinity.

Desire.

Yes.

 

Why must matter become self? The self is matter, probably.

 

I don't know, it is not my claim.

 

Light has no mass at rest but it has energy that can be converted to mass.
Light has no gravity.
E=MC2

First thing god said let there be light.

Physical form is transient.

Hunger is only of the mind then?

So when the tree stanches a wound is this not also a measure of self awareness.

 

No argument for mass and energy having a universal order of occurrence.

How do you know that? By not knowing infinity? All form is in motion.

I can't see why concsious life couldn't evolve to hold matter to itself indefinitely.

No.

Only of awareness.