How could gay marriage and gay adoption possibly hurt family values?

At least half the kids in America either are raised by single parents or the divorced parents take turns raising them. Not to mention the orphans, most of whom never get adopted and just play musical foster homes until they age out of the system. I see gay people potentially improving the damage that straight people have already done to family values.

 

I don't see a problem with it. I think you make a good point and let's face it, they aren't making any "mistakes" that are leaving them with an unwanted child after one lusty night so they put a lot more thought into parenting and being parents. The only problem it is causing is the problem a lot of people have with throwing their damn religion around and using it as a means to corrupt what is different from them. There is no cookie cutter perfect family and no one has a right to judge others if they are not harming anyone. I don't understand why people spend so much time making others unhappy instead of working to make themselves happier, it makes no sense.

 

The family values are far more about the values of a certain ideology than about the protection of the family, and the protection of children in particular. Few people are really worried about other people's family life. They are far more involved into imposing their views upon the others for the sake of preserving or even enhancing their own social, economic and political status.

Much of the present socio-political set up is based upon the notion that ONLY one man and one woman may marry, have or adopt children, etc. The challenge of modernity is now overturning such structures, and those who are very eminently poised to lose their privileges from the forthcoming change are naturally fighting the change. Not for the sake of families, children or our common future but for the sake of their own interests. It would be only very naive to believe that anyone would give up on his standing, status, source of income without mounting a major fight.

Think of all those guys who married and had kids because the mom and dad, and the society told them to do so. (They would have otherwise played the field...). These guys go around claiming that their families, wives, children, etc. are their greatest achievement. Enters gay marriage, the right of the gay couples (or even single individuals) to adopt the children. Enters the world of patchwork families. Sure, the white picket fence world of traditional values is being devalued out of its relevance. Sure, these guys are going to stuff our ears with THEIR family values till the cows get home.

The necessities of modern economies however have won that battle already. The society is either going to evolve and grow or it will wither and die.

KD

 

And there are some of us that just think .....hmmm maybe we should just leave the breeding for the breeders

Newborn babies are adorable, coochie coochie coo.

But from 2yrs onwards, Holy Friggin Never ending Migraine Batman

 

i cannot speak for america

but my perception is that whilst my homeland (u.k) is one of condemnation

the united states is one rather of exclusion

in america being gay is just not widely accepted in some states

it is because of this that any child brought up in such a home

is guilty by association.

it's a big shame.

 

should i leave all my cooking to a chef?

 

that is the one thing thumpers never answer . . "how does gay marriage hurt hetro marriage?" their copy/paste response is always "because marriage is one man and one woman", oh that is a terrific comeback and lacks credibility

 

It doesn't hurt family values in any way. It is all religious nonsense.

 

If you can't have kids then you shouldn't have kids.
I'm gay, I've accepted this. My sex life prevents me from having children. I don't want to offend the religious and demand equal rights. That's a never ending vicious cycle. The gay offend the religious, the religious offend the gay. Right or wrong, who cares, it doesn't help the cause any, your sexual organs aren't going to hermaphrodite.
Whether it's national law or state law, it doesn't matter. Whether the law is right or wrong or based off false religious doctrines, it still doesn't matter. What matters is a heterosexual relationship can breed children and a gay relationship can't.

To be honest, the gay community is lucky it has what it has, it aggregates me to no end hearing them demand more and more. It's not rocket science, it's common sense. Gay couples can't produce children.

 

But should the religious be allowed to offend gay people? It cuts both ways.

About the kids thing, I kinda agree with what you're saying. I do think that gay people should be allowed to adopt. The only problem I have there is the stigma a child would have by being brought up by same sex parents, and they would suffer bullying because of it. But I don't have any problem with it in principle. But trying to have a biological child through surrogacy or whatever, I don't really agree with that. But then, I don't really agree with it for heterosexual people either.

And it makes even less sense when transsexual people have their own biological children. If you feel you're a man, why would you want to give birth as a woman? Same kinda thing in the reverse situation, why would a person who identified as a woman want to father a child? The mind boggles, really. Again, adoption in these cases I see as fine.

And I have no problem with gay marriage. And don't really care if the religious are offended by gays wanting equal rights in that department. The abrahamic religions hijacked marriage in the first place, they do not own it, nor have a monopoly on it.

 

Gay marraige and adoption could not possibly hurt "traditional" family values. Considering that the thumpers are the ones who have set these values, and they have messed them up pretty good all on their own.

As for having children, I know I would not be able to produce a child with my partner, it is just not physically possible. However, adoption, foster care, or even co-parenting, is not a bad thing. Some people, irregardless of their sexual orientation, make awesome parents, while others do not! If you don't want to have children, then you really should not.
As for when the child reaches the "Terrible Twos," it is something that you as the parent have to deal with. Some folks don't want to have children. That is their own choice. If I wanted to adopt/foster a child, then I should be able to.
Single people should also be able to adopt/foster/etc. if they so choose. The real downside to a single parent is all the responsibilty falls to one person rather than two. Two certainly does make it easier. I work with children on a regular basis, and have significantly younger siblings, nieces, and nephews, so I know what it is like to try to raise a child. I feel that I could be a very good parent, whether or not the children are my biological offspring or not. My partner, however, does not want children, and doesn't think he would be a good parent. Hence, there are no real plans for children in our house. However, we may look at foster care, as there is always a very great need for it.