Say a few thousand troops were to suffer some catastrophic fate in the near future and a draft had to be reinstated, do you think there would be a rebellion, I mean kids of today really are screwed up in the head as it is, and forced to leave their little lives to fight for a bullshit war. Im predicting total anarchy Battle Royale 2 style, if the military is over there how do we stop this rebellion? Would there be another civil war over this, between Democrats and Republicans? Families separate to fight for their cause! Sounds like a fiction book. But no its truth. Even the most devout of Republicans in fighting age 18-25 or w/e seriously wont give up tv and video games for a forced death thousands of miles away in the desert. Thats not noble, not since WWII has there been a reason to fight, I can assure you that If drafted I will not join this crusade. Leave any thoughts you may have.
I'd say that your thought process for your predictions are pretty twisted. About 55%-60% of Americans support the war, and I think around 40%-45% of 18-24 age support it. In the 18-24 age group sadly around 10%-30% have no opinion what-so-ever. I put ranges because I know its in there somewhere and its 5 AM so I'm too lazy to find a source. And yes, 55%-60% of Americans support the war, dont belive the media.
i totaly agree ... with what i made bold ...but i agree with it all realy.. http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=210 i am to lazy to see if this proves the point :&
IF,,,there was to be a draft,those that are draft age who support the war will change their tune immediately.It's one thing to talk of supporting the war when one doesn't have to go.Turn the tables and see what happens then.IMHO.
Your right suppose, but i don't know what you think is running through the minds of people like myself .. its not all ramboesque (though thats a good couple of films to show what being a soldier is all about ironicaly) ... bloody bodies and me blasting anything that moves with a AK47 (obviously i would be taking my own gun) you know.
From that link: Public support for war in Iraq has been unaffected by the murders and desecration of the corpses of American citizens in Falluja. However, continued turmoil and violence in Iraq may be taking a toll on President Bush's approval ratings. More Americans now disapprove of the way he is doing his job than approve, though by only a slight margin (47% disapprove vs. 43% approve). Just four-in-ten approve of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq, his lowest rating ever and down from 59% in January. Bush's evaluations on other issues – the economy, energy and even terrorism – have fallen as well. And by a wide margin (57% to 32%) the public does not think he has a clear plan for bringing the situation in Iraq to a successful conclusion. Now throw in a draft and see what happens.
It came from the link you provided. So, in essence, you provided the link to display what a skewed survey looks like?
It was nothing personal.. 'you' did not mean you personaly ..if you get what i a talking about ?? i meant 'we' .... now i am confusing myself
My assessment is pessimistic. In trying to decide what is wrong with Amerika, in trying to come to a conclusion what it is making this country conservative, degenerate, reactionary and immoral my inclination at this point is to believe this is the primarily the consequence of CONSERVATIVE FUNDAMENTALIST RELIGION which has come to control grass roots POLITICS and CULTURE and the MEDIA. And so I think that so many (both young and older) people's minds have become so polluted with fundamentalist insanity (insanity because it makes no sense whatsoever) that they are totally willing, totally naive "patriots" who will willingly go to their deaths in the name of God and country without a second thought. You have seen what Muslims will do in the name of religion (well, it really is more than that). "Christians" will go to the same delirious extremes. I can just picture clean cut young Christians Mormons etc. the Ralph Reed types going to their deaths without a whimper or a second thought. And so I'm thinking you will NOT see the same reaction against the draft that occurred in the sixties. People are stupider now than they were then. Because of fundamentalist religion. We are headed toward deep trouble. *** Also I must say I still am deliberating about whether the draft all things considered is a good or a bad thing. This is an important subject. The easy answer of course is that the draft is bad because people are made to go against their will. But there are some good things about the draft. First, the draft gets progressives into the military. That helps balance the military and may help make it a safer military and ultimately a safer society. I'm thinking some western european nations are better nations because their kids have to do some military service. Second it helps educate progressives in military matters. Third (despite what I just said in the previous paragraph) there is still the possibility that the draft will lead to more widespread public rejection of war. One might also suggest that a random draft is more equitable (although I suppose the privileged always find a way out) and the concept of "equitable" here needs to be put into context.
(my emphasis) I have heard this before, that the neo-cons has gone and gotten their candidates into local offices. Some claim this shows how sneakey they are. I think it just shows that some of our fellow citizens beleive in the neo-con message. The answer is for us to match their organizing efforts. As for the draft, I have said it before but I'll repeat it again. As long as the military doesn't take gays; if you have a good friend of the same sex and a camera (to provide proof), you won't have to go.
I agree. That is, I don't think there's anything especially sneaky about what they've been doing (but at the same time there's no doubt they will resort to any means whatsoever if it serves their ends; they're certainly big on guns and killing; and all kinds of philosophical political legal distortion and deception) and obviously a large part of the population swallows the crap they preach. Yes we need to match their organizing efforts -- which is hard because of their media presence and indoctrination centers (churches) packing people in several times a week all over the country. Progressives can't match that. And don't forget their ubiquitous "cultural revolution" document (the bible). And the flag and yellow ribbbons they stick everywhere. On top of that they now control the machinery of government -- and the military of course. We need to SURPASS their efforts not just in organization but on every front. Just remember they have the guns. All the guns the big ones and little ones. I trust this paints a pretty picture for everyone.
I watched a programe last night , about the way 'asians' have had to intergrate into other societys away from their own ... bottom of the pile Muslims ?. Having no voice within mainstream america/british (the list goes on) has made some into fundementalists.. i suspect this has happened within christianity/judaism etc etc .. At the moment it seems to be the Muslims turn... 99.9% of muslims are not fundementalist in the slightest and i don't think most religeons are imho .. the further away from religeon you are the more fundementalist they will seem. So when i read about conservative fundementalist christians ... and then stick neo-con onto it and you have more and more debatable arguements that leave most people perplexed (at best) scared (at worst) .When realy the fear is mostly irrational...or is that just me ?.
Not having a voice in society may be one reason people turn to fundamentalism. It's not the only reason. Ignorance, deficient education play a role. Wanting to have "all the answers" is another factor. ("The opiate of the people.") A desire to "legitimize" various forms of bigotry, intolerance, inequality and discrimination (nationalism and ethnic/racial fixations --favoring some groups and disfavoring others) is a third element and probably a very significant one. These factors overlap. This list is not exhaustive. In the case of Islam I believe fundamentalism is primarily a manifestation of political aspirations and I certainly agree this is related to not having a voice -- not so much as this problem exists within Britain and the US but especially as it exists in parts of the world where Muslims constitute the majority. There they have been oppressed and exploited by corrupt governments -- governments many times having close ties to outside powers -- and you know which ones we're talking about. As for the connection between fundamentalist Christians and neocons in fact obviously both vote Republican which represents a relationship for most practical purposes.
Deficient education or knowledge of key facts ..or peoples interpretations of events .. effects us all... Thats we are all deficient. Somebody that thinks diffrently to you or me, and can bring the discusion around to their logic .. with facts and a convincing aptitude for spin .. can be very convincing . Muslims in western democratic countries have as much access to information as we do.. But just like little johny that still wants to believe in santa clause , people are able to just ignore any other truths and purposly make their knowledge deficient. Yep don't we all.. at the moment i am trying to put my point across and believe it to be valid... so are you i suppose. We both might be quite wrong though realy realy wrong ?. Though bigotry, intolerance, inequality and discrimination might not be were we are comeing from ?.
if 50-60 percent of Americans support the attacks on Iraq , then frankly Id be delighted if 50 to 60 percent of Americans had their houses carpet bombed in so called "strategic strikes". If there's such a crime as "incitment to commit terrorism" there should be one for "incitement to commit war crimes". Then Id have everyone mildly alleged to have incited them to be dragged over to some shithole in the desert and locked and tortured for 5 years before being charged. ********** One of the main problems with America and its so called "policy formers" is that they havent been on the receiving end of enough violence. If more Americans were pulled out of the rubble of buildings , theyd soon enough stop bombing other people. ( Amerika sstopped funding Irish bombings satright after the Oklahoma bomb) Similarly if untrained con scripted civillians were sent back to Amerika in body bags ,thatd cause a reality check too.
