Beware Trolls! New Libel Law in UK

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  1. FlyingFly

    FlyingFly Dickens

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    leave the internet alone
     
    FlyingFly, Jun 25, 2012
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  3. Shivaya

    Shivaya Y'a rien de trop beau pour la classe ouvrière.

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    So for the people who have disclaimers in their signatures that say ''nothing I say on this site is true and is only for entertainment value'' or something along those lines.

    Will they be thrown in jail if they say something that is true?

    :bobby:
     
    Shivaya, Jun 25, 2012
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  5. meridianwest

    meridianwest Senior Member

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    exactly.

    also, different people are sensitive to different things. what's hurtful to some doesn't move others. it's completely absurd to 'start reporting people to authorities' for it. and yes, you will no longer have a free speech site. just a pretense.
     
    meridianwest, Jun 25, 2012
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  7. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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    got the message- no more posting about politics by midgardsun,
    from now on Ill post only about little flowers and little clouds and little birdies...

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    oh wait- better not those two, could get me in trouble as well.
     
    midgardsun, Jun 26, 2012
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  9. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Only your OWN government can deny you free speech, and in this case, it's the UK considering this law that will do exactly that.

    But free speech never ever gives you the right to libel, defame, slander or break other laws just cause you want to "speak freely".

    BTW, in Australia, there is no such thing as Free Speech. The Aussie gov't has restricted Internet access to certain sites (once it was 10s of thousands of sites).

    So don't EVER accuse ME or HF of restricting YOUR free speech, cause we don't have that power over you or your Internet access, which we presume is unaffected, hence your opportunities for Free Speech are not capable of restriction by one website or one person, only your government.

    This is a Free Speech site because we let our members discuss ANY TOPIC, and we put Governments on notice that censoring or blocking this site is a violation of Free Speech, esp. since we don't allow illegal activity here.

    Is that FINALLY CLEAR TO EVERYONE ON THIS SITE, OR DO I NEED TO PUT IT IN 72 pt BOLD Type across every fucking page on the forums?

    I remind everyone that our Guidelines do not allow you to use this site for any illegal activity. So if you slander someone you've broken our TOS and you forego any protection/privacy we might normally offer our members in good standing. This has always been the case here, so there's really no change in that.
     
    skip, Jun 27, 2012
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  11. The Imaginary Being

    The Imaginary Being PAIN IN ASS Lifetime Supporter

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    in that case let's wait for the u.k government to block us u.k posters from hipforums

    there's no need even discussing this further.
     
    The Imaginary Being, Jun 27, 2012
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  13. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Read my TYPE: NO ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. Got it yet? Don't matter what your fucking country is.

    As far as HF goes, what you do here isn't about Free Speech (that ONLY concerns governments), it's about LEGAL SPEECH.

    We are bound by the laws of the Netherlands and the EU, as well as the USA to an extent, and so are you when you participate on this site.

    The laws of other countries like China, Iran or whatever are irrelevant. They restrict the free speech of their people, but those ppl can speak freely on HF, so long as they don't break our guidelines or EU/Netherlands/US law.
     
    skip, Jun 27, 2012
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  15. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    StpLSD25, Jun 27, 2012
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  17. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    I am not liable in the UK for anything I say online. It says so in my constitution, the first Amendment and..

     
    StpLSD25, Jun 27, 2012
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  19. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    No it doesn't. Your constitution doesn't protect you from someone in their home country suing you, if their courts let them sue you. Judges in the UK won't even look at your constitution - it doesn't concern them or anyone else in the UK. This has been confirmed in several domestic cases in the UK, US, Canada and Australia.
     
    walsh, Jun 27, 2012
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  21. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    Frankly, I don't even care a little bit. FUCK the UK government!! Fuck David Cameron, Gordon Brown AND, Tony Blair. Let those assholes try to sue me... I don't even show up to court in the US. But no, I don't have to stifle my voice due to the BAD laws of another country!!! It's only people in the UK who tolerate tyranny. In America, we pretend the bad laws don't exist and speak freely regardless. (As is protected by my first amendment, like it or NOT.)
     
    StpLSD25, Jun 27, 2012
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  23. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    No one state any opinions about big bankers... they might sue you. I love how the leftist are working with the businesses they allegidly hate to stop "cyber bullying" and the freedom of speech. It's so funny too, how people think this is okay.. You can't sue New Jersey for all the pollution they put in the air, but you can sue someone overseas for hurting your feelings or perhaps (more likely) Companies can sue you if you talk bad about them, and get ANY of your facts wrong.

    This is by far the most absurd law I've ever heard of.All it does is prove my point I've been making for years now; People in the UK are content trading their liberty for a false sense of security. There is NO Liberty in London, only silence and contentment of a broken government system.
     
    StpLSD25, Jun 27, 2012
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  25. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    Your first amendment is useless against a UK lawsuit. America isn't the world. As long as they can find you, they can sue you. But even then you'll probably be safe if you don't have any UK assets, and they won't be able to get a cent. :bobby:
     
    walsh, Jun 27, 2012
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  27. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    I don't really have any assets in the US :) it wouldn't be worth sueing me. But I just think this is way out of bounds. I know America isn't the world, but being sued across the world for speaking is way beyond the bounds of the UK Government.

    it's like; Someone states "Murdoch fired 15,000 people this year."
    All of a sudden you have murdoch sueing you, saying "Actually, it's 15,075. This is 'libelous' and 'harmful"
     
    StpLSD25, Jun 27, 2012
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  29. PurpByThePound

    PurpByThePound purpetrator

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    Yeah...this proposed law sounds totally fucking retarded. Who the hell is gonna sit around and take all the complaints anyways?

    Sounds like a bunch of butthurt troll victims that can't wrap their heads around the internet.
     
    PurpByThePound, Jun 27, 2012
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  31. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    I should tell you that since this site began there has been only one attempt to shut us down, many years ago, but it was just gov't propaganda and it backfired on them.

    You should know that we use US Free Speech law over EU or any other country as it's been long established and familiar to most Americans. But even in the US there are MANY limits to Free Speech, and I've been pointing them out to you.

    I say Americans are "familiar" with Free Speech, but in actual practice it's probably less than 10% who even have a clue what it means, and know who actually has the power to deny it.

    They don't get that it doesn't mean you can say anything you like, anywhere you like, about anyone. And it seems a lot are here on HF cause they think Free Speech means something it doesn't. I suppose it's true, people don't know what they've got till it's gone. Americans are so spoiled they take free speech for granted, and rarely use it for for a meaningful purpose, yet whine about Free Speech when they get banned for trolling or attacking people online.
     
    skip, Jun 27, 2012
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  33. PurpByThePound

    PurpByThePound purpetrator

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    i understand the limitations to free speech, but to make a law so that you can sue people on the internet because they call you a name is total faggotry

    (and I don't mean that as an insult to homosexuals - i know a lot of homosexuals that enjoy trolling and even THEY would call the person who wrote this proposal a faggot)
     
    PurpByThePound, Jun 27, 2012
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  35. meridianwest

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    by this reasoning Saudi Arabia could sue me for committing homosexual sex, just because it's illegal in their country, in fact, punishable by death. how does law in one country suddenly affect someone in another? UK isn't the world either, ya know.
     
    meridianwest, Jun 27, 2012
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  37. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    If you had gay sex with a Saudi, yes, they probably could try to take action against you, just as they would the Saudi. You not only have to break another country's law you must also affect someone in that country, and the complaint has to come from there. In the scenario where you return to Saudi Arabia with your gay lover, you will certain feel their wrath (which is just another symptom of a sexually repressed society).

    I sure wish the people in the US would realize they aren't the world either. Yet the DEA thinks otherwise, the US military thinks otherwise, America's Corporate Led Government thinks otherwise, etc, etc...
     
    skip, Jun 27, 2012
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  39. meridianwest

    meridianwest Senior Member

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    this has been my position all along. people have become too damn sensitive, or alternatively they're just hoping all the lawsuits they see in Hollywood films will work in their favor and they can extract a little green from someone.

    centuries ago men said what they wanted to other men, and the latter either retaliated the way they saw fit or just let it go. no-one whined about how hurt they got over some damn words. get real, people. if you're so weak that some words can hurt you, what does that really say about you?
     
    meridianwest, Jun 27, 2012
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