2-cb vs. Other 2c- compounds

Apparently Shulgin's favorite compound he made was 2-cb. I have allot of experience with I and E, but just recently found some B. I have heard many people say E surpasses them all, but the fact that Shulgin liked it so much means allot to me. There must be something in it if he of all people saw value in it considering all the chemicals he came up with. What is your opinion on CB? Looks like allot of you have experience with it. But it seems a main factor in his opinion was the duration which was not too long to be effective for therapy, and that is not as big a deal to me since I don't plan to take it in the presence of a therapist.

 

2cb is my favorite 2cx. The thing that impresses me most about 2cb is not what it does but what it doesn't do and that is it doesn't really create significant physical effects, so I almost always get a feeling with 2cb of being very much in my body/mind as opposed to feeling unnatural chemical effects like some of the other 2cx's create.

In terms of intensity, its a pretty middle of the road as far as 2cx's goes. The cev's can be pretty remarkable, oevs are not anything special at the doses I've taken it but there is usually a sense of things seeming interesting and there is a futuristic type glow to lights, quality color enhancement, if you look at something that's defined in its patterning it can shift and move in various ways.. The headspace is stimulating and mostly positive, so its unlikely to fixate on negative thoughts, its more stable than 2ci's headspace and not as impetuous as 2ci can be. There is a light, airy, sensuality to 2cb that is unique among the 2cx's.

 

I'm extremely curious about this one, more so than any other psychedelic. Never tried it, sorry! But "too short for therapy" ? If you look at the TiHKAL entry on 4-HO-DiPT (which lasts only up to about 3 hours), he writes "If there will ever be an acceptance of drugs such as these, in a psychotherapeutic context, a short duration is of extreme value to both the patient and the therapist." Oh god imagine therapy with DOB..

2C-B was used in therapy, more so than any other 2C-X. Here are some reports.
http://www.maps.org/gateway/
Most of the reports under "group experiences are a combo of MDMA and 2C-B, the 2C-B being taken as they come down from the MDMA.

 

i've only tried 2ce and 2cb out of all of them. i think i like 2cb a little bit better.

2ce is intense, sort of chaotic and dark or at least "neutral."
2cb is gentle and fluffy, but still very psychedelic at the right dose. it's given me some of the most beautiful OEV ever (unlike GB i guess).

my normal dose of 2ce is (or was since i don't use it much anymore) 15-20 mg. my preferred dose of 2cb is 35-40 mg, though i haven't tried it very many times.

i like how 2ce lasts longer and is a bit more intense, but 2cb feels like being massaged from the inside out, or being made love to by a chemical. something about it feels more "complete" in some undefined way. 2cb gives me a headache at higher doses, but 2ce's side effects are worse.

 

Of the 2C's I've tried (e,i,p,t7) b is my fave. I can see why Ann saw theraputic value in it as I find it gives a nice inner glow that radiates out to your environment. It's similar to what I imagine MDMA to be. I'm not one to get alot of visuals or find them important. Bees for me just sort of gives a nice sparkle to things, nice color enhancement. I haven't however found the experiences to be terribly deep in psychedelia in the 30-35 range, though I would like to try higher.
Really though when it comes to a psychedelic experience beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I find e to be a close second to bees but the rest I just don't feel are "special".

 

2C-B is my favorite 2c-x, and my favorite psychedelic period save for LSD. My girlfriend prefers it over LSD. And yet out of over a dozen people I know who do psychedelics, only 2 or 3 of them ever want to do it again after trying it. It's definitely not an "in your face" psychedelic, it is quite gentle and lucid, but if you have an artist's eye you will fall in love with it.

Here are two TRs I wrote

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=408732&f=126

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=414047&f=126

 

Since you mention e, I've never had it, but I'd be hesitant to, I've heard horrible things about how EVERYONE gets bad HPPD from it.

I had b once at a low dose, it was great, had what felt like a very hard comeup to me, but I've heard it's not, compared to the other 2c's. Almost threw up, smoked a bowl, calmed right down, had a great time.

 

B and P are my favorite 2cs. B is is most therapeutic for me and P is the long love for everything trip that I needed when I take it. B is a good party drug, both B and P go well with everything I have combo'd with it so far. P is the stay at home, have lots of sex with lots of music. To me P gives me eargasms with the right music, literally can make me cum from listening to certain music. Specially some of the music I have from a good friend . B you can take anywhere and have a good time, on both the next day you feel like a refreshed new person. I believe B an P are the most gentle, E and T7 are a little more intense. Obviously everyone is different and has their own opinion about the 2cs. I have tried B, P, T7 and E so far.

 

I tried B once, and I didn't really think much of it. I sold the rest of it and everyone raved about how great it was so I don't think I had a bad batch or anything.

I guess I was expecting it to get in my face and do all the work but it never came close to doing that. It wasn't bad, I definitely had fun it was just nothing out of the ordinary.

 

i think the hppd that comes from 2ce comes from repeated use. a couple years ago, i was taking 2ce every week or two for a few months, and i developed some hppd. it really wasn't very bad though, and i doubt it would occur from dosing it a couple of times and being responsible with it.
i have suspicions that it gave me long term effects in my gut though, so your weariness is not unwarranted IMO.

compared to acid and mushrooms, i can see how 2cb might have a rough comeup. for me it is pretty smooth. the comeup of shrooms or 4aces or maybe even acid is more jarring. the only negative i get from 2cb is a headache afterward, like i may have said already. 2cb does make me cold on the comeup though...sorta like the flu-like symptoms of 2ce comeup.

is that howard stern style, straddling on the speakers with the bass turned all the way up?

2ce is amazing with music. i think i've had the best musical enhancement / musical synesthesia from 2ce, than any other drug.

interesting how you say that 2cp is gentle like 2cb. you mean the actual trip or the body-load? i've always thought 2cp was supposed to be "intense" like 2ce, but maybe not as much as. in any case, you made me a touch more exited to try the sample of 2cp i've had around for years.

i don't really feel refreshed after 2ce or 2cb. i sorta feel like crap (physically), maybe a mental refreshing, but just as likely a fog.

what was your dose? for me, 26 mg was very mellow, but noticeable and slightly enhanced a concert i went to. 30 mg is more like a real trip, where i didn't have to look for the effects. but when i've taken 36 or 45 mg, that was pretty strong tripping, but still not "in your face." 2cb doesn't do that i think
it's a gentle, but still full-on psychedelic.

 

I can't get my ears closer to speakers on 2cp, it's very sexual for me and the high and the body load is very gentle. I have taken upwards to 25mg and that's where it got a little intense.

 

Id agree the body load with 2cp is fairly light but I found the comedown pretty rough, I usually felt like I was on a low dose of speed on into the next morning which is a bit much after a 10+ hour trip. I'd recommend some weed or benzos on hand for the comedown.

 

how do you find the 2ce comedown, GB?

 

Weed is a necessity for any comedown, if I have weed I can go to sleep after 2cp just fine. I've only done 2ce twice and probably won't ever do it again.

 

My most recent 2ce trip there was no comedown, it was a very easy return to baseline with a pleasant afterglow. However, I have had some 2ce trips where I have felt pretty foggy headed and irritable coming down.

 

what were your doses of 2ce, octopus?

 

15 and 20mg, both experiences we're bad and I had horrible body load. It was much more intense than 2cp, but I don't really care 2ce is not for me. There are more enjoyable compounds out there that are just as intense.

 

Just want to chime in again... 2c-e sucks... After 3 years I still have slight HPPD and the HPPD I did have soon after made it almost impossible to see in the dark. 2c-e is much more lame than 2c-i in my opinion. 2c-i is one of my fav psychs actually. But I guess I enjoy the "happy" parts of drugs just as much as any other aspect. So when it is lacking it, which 2c-e definitely does, I see that as a major aspect that could be there that isn't. Plus HPPD, and dark thoughts. Don't overdo it either, DPT strength visuals if u do too much

Are people still mainly getting this off of the net anyways? 2c-b that is?

 

I got a pressed tablet from someone I met in person, similar to a roll but smaller. Red, with a bee on one side I think, and some other sybol on the other, and both sides domed, pretty thin relative to it's diameter, and very fibrous, maybe having had some sort of paper pressed into it. Allegedly having around 15mg in it.

And yeah, that's why I won't do 2c-e. I find my night driving/functioning abilities to be quite important.

 

Yeah, from what I gather. It hasn't changed much in the last 6 years. It's possible to get it from the net sometimes, but most people get it like they do ecstasy. I've personally never had the opportunity. But now that I am done with drugs, and trying about everything out there, I don't see me using it. There are only like 3 drugs left I would try if they came by, and I imagine 2c-b is something you have to look harder for even IRL