Can blow trigger LSD flashbacks?

I've had 3 flash backs in my lifetime. One as a teenager, and two within the last couple months.
The 2nd most recent one I was sober, an intentionally concentrated on my carpet moving until it happened (exactly how it did a couple days before while on LSD). That was fun, but I assumed it was only happening because I was trying I make it happen (ah, the power of the human mind)!
Yesterday morning, I did a line of blow. It was probably the best I've ever had. 4 front teeth went totally numb and my pupils engulfed my eyes instantly. I don't do this often anymore (I used to do it way too much so I tend to stay away from the stuff), and the one line was all I did (granted, it was huge).
About 10-15 mins later I thought I saw a mouse behind a chair in my living room that was definitely not there. The next thing I knew, I looked at the carpet and it was doing the same thing it did when I tried to make myself hallucinate before (only this time I wasn't intending to at all). This was a very strange occurrence.

Has anyone had a similar experience? Thoughts? Maybe it was cut with a designer drug? Or does chotch trigger flashbacks? When I was a heavy user I used to hear audio hallucinations... But nothing like this on it.

Much love <3

 

Either you saw a mouse, or you're paranoid/schizo. That's not an acid thing.

If you can try to see shit and just see it, that easily, you shouldn't be taking drugs anyways, at least, not if randomly seeing things bothers you-It's NOT normal to be able to decide to be tripping, and start tripping. You seem to be walking a fine line.

 

Why do people insist that Lsd is the only drug you can hallucinate from??// and then keep falling back on that.

sure LSD opens you up a lot differently than other drugs. But Ive never talked to aliens, or seen my house sucked up into a wormhole on it.

this one time though: I did some coke with some atavans and I seen people pushing cars, climbing poles, fucking car, people crawling out from the ground, skeletons coming thru the window, snakes and joker monkeys. that was some good times there.

 

someone would have found me catatonic in a pile of my own shit if that happened to me

 

I've done acid a couple hundred times or so, never met anyone that had a legitimate flashback.

 

I've never done acid but I always read that was fake, back cracking and all

 

Flashbacks are similar to post traumatic stress disorder. It's not from LSD in your spinal fluid... You pee it out. It doesn't stop your brain from being able to fire that way again.

I know you can hallucinate on other drugs, and like I said, I've hallucinated on blow before, but the thing about these hallucinations was that it was exactly what I saw while tripping on acid recently.

I am pretty sure I've just done too much lately. It's not a scary experience because I recognized what was happening and just rolled with it, but it does happen. I understand the skeptics because I was one too until it started happening.

You all should know that there are after effects for quite a while past when the drug should be out of your system.

 

I've done it a handful of times... And a handful of other psychedelics.

This may be more HPPD, don't know. but without fail, if I wake up and am exposed to bright light, and then move into dim light again (and sometimes without the move back) like getting up to take the dog out, everything flashes quickly, like a strobe. And it's not the type of thing I can blink or whatever and make it stop. Sometimes there's also patterns like the colorblindness test ones in the flashing.

When I look at closed blinds with light coming through them, it basically looks like I'm on acid after a few seconds, the lines start waving, and I get patterns grating accross the real lines, at an angle.

I've had full on flashbacks while/after smoking good pot with no tolerance, generally at night and when tired, presumably because of my mind working on the lack of sensory input in the dark.... One night I got inside after a (kind of creepy/tense, no flashlight in the woods, wild animals of several types that can kill humans where I was at the time) walk home from smoking pot with a friend, and for a few minutes I had visuals as strong as I have an acid, the plain white refrigerator was covered with swirling fractal patterns, but faint washed out ones.

I would say that many people simply become more susceptible to psychedelic style sensory phenomena after some amount of psychedelic experience. Other drugs and altered states can trigger it, and I was not saying that OP couldn't have had it, just that if he could CHOOSE to see patterns, in any intense way, he's pretty near some sort of edge, and that seeing things like a nonexistent mouse is more consistent with something like schizophrenia.

 

^ those are common optical phenomena.

lol.. are you shy..
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Nah, not like floaters, I've had them since being a little kid.

Like, something crossing where it shouldn't in my brain kind of things.

I realize many people actually do experience things like this, I know a few people with no sorts of disorders who have never taken drugs, who see music or sound, and a lot of these people just think it's normal, and then grow up to find that it's not so common and are afraid to mention it. But I think this in different, because it never happened until I took hallucinogens.

I also experienced an increase in the amount of "noise", like snowflakes on a TV, or plasma-ish ripples, I see on flat, uniformly textured surfaces, like walls.

I guess one can't discount the fact that I might have just started noticing these things more. But there's at least a few times, generally triggered by pot, that I have quite undoubtedly "flashed back", to seeing fractals and MUCH more visual activity than I would have expected without other drugs. Weed never caused that (with eyes open) until after psychedelics.

I think the true explanation may be close to the PTSD one, but probably a lot more complex, and a combination of things.

 

^good to know someone else experiences these things. I'm getting used to it and simply try not to look at the carpet too long. It does the swirly fractal thing you were talking about.

I have a theory that my brain is now rewired from hundreds of trips, and if it has too much stimulation (I'm too much of a pot head for pot to trigger it, but harder drugs, or even an intense work out's after-glow can cause it), I'll simply start seeing things I saw while tripping.

The funny thing is, I didn't hallucinate on cid for the first 20 or so trips. It wasn't until I took a very large dose that I visually hallucinated. Same with shrooms. Now I hallucinate on everything apparently.

It's kind of fun. It doesn't turn into a long scary trip -- I think practicing turning the hallucinations on and off while coming up on cid helped me be able to not go so deeply down the proverbial rabbit hole.

 

You and most others are talking two different phenomena here, HPPD and "flashbacks".

Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder can account for the visual anomalies you have described.

As you said, true "flashbacks" are pretty much a Post Traumatic Stress Disorder type occurrence and are typified by a recurrence of the emotional/psychological aspects of a "bad" trip and may or may not also be accompanied by visual phenomena.
True flashbacks are rather rare and most often are experienced by those who had a "bad" or emotionally disturbing psychedelic experience. Much the same as PTSD is triggered by an event of intense emotional/psychological stress. Personally I consider true psychedelic flashbacks to be PTSD episodes.

I feel it is important to distinguish between the visual anomalies, HPPD, and the emotional "flashback" or PTSD episode. They a very different things and should not be lumped together.

Often people forget that THC is itself a rather potent psychedelic and can/does account for visual effects on it's own and definitely intensifies them in conjunction with psychedelics. So "seeing" stuff from smoking weed really doesn't need any "flashback" to account for it, THC is quite capable of doing it all by itself.

 

I wish Ann & Sasha Shulgin would talk about post psychedelic optical phenomenon. They've tripped so many times and claim to have no negative side effects whatsoever (besides Ann using MDMA so many times it lost its magic). I've never heard them talk about having visual stuff like RooRshack described. I have the same thing. It doesn't bother me but it is noticeable. Here's what Shulgin did say about it, http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/lsdflashbacks.htm

 

I agree about pot, but am quite familiar with it, and have been for a long time before ever tripping.

I'm not sure that PTSD must be inherently bad or negative, I would think that nearly any emotion (or pot induced psychedelic thought patterns) could trigger it, because any given thing on a psychedelic would have so much more impact than thinking it sober.

However, I think I've experienced both very mild HPPD and flashbacks, at different times.

 

Sounds like there was Datura in your blow bro

 

sounds like HPPD , or chronic anxiety ...

 

Datura in blow .. wtf??!

 

Datura in the blow? Does that happen? It was from someone I don't know very well. I was going to do one of mine and he said "no, no, have one of mine"

 

This is what I have. My snow is pretty intense. Sometimes it's colourful.
If ambient light is fairly bright, then it'll appear flat on surfaces. The darker a room/nighttime gets, the snow lifts and appears to be parallel but inches to a foot off the wall. Darkness...forget it. I have no night vision. It's just snow with shady blobs.

Back in college we did experiments on after images and blue field effects. My effects always seemed to last longer and more intensely than the others. So HPPD stuff can sound like optical phenomena that everyone gets, but the intensity and duration of it can be what takes it from normal to something's gone screwy.

 

Too much cocaine can induce it's own psychosis. I highly doubt it is related to LSD at all, as it sounds like a paranoid psychotic experience and not a typical LSD-like experience (which is not of that nature in most people - its hallucinations are not a things that don't exist but enhancements and re-interpretations of the surroundings).

I know for a fact there is an actual DSM-IV disorder called Amphetamine-Induced Psychosis, so I would imagine it was something along those lines since Cocaine is very similar to Amphetamine in pharmacology.