So I met this girl and we fell in love, etc etc. The only problem is my severe anxiety over her past with hallucinogens. It's not much of a past, since she's only taken 2C-E twice, but it still makes me so anxious, and I'm not entirely sure why. I have never taken hallucinogens before. Maybe it was because I feel impotent thinking that I can never compare to an experience like that in her life, or maybe I'm just very jealous that she has experienced something that I have not. I am assuming many people on this forum are open-minded and experienced, so I will gladly take advice on getting over my anxiety. Tl;Dr: Girlfriend's past with 2C-E makes me sad. I have often wanted to try tripping, though I have never had the opportunity to do so. What interested me most was shrooms, though that's only because it seems to be the only hallucinogen that my friends have taken. Of course, I would want to try it with her, so I need your collective advice on choosing a drug (or why I shouldn't do any drugs with her.) Here's what I have: An empty house for a weekend, a clear schedule, and a cute girl. Here's what I want: A drug that is comparable in experience to 2C-E, has a low probability of having a bad trip or overdose, doesn't last too long, and is good to take with a girl (not necessarily sexual, but it could be.) I also want advice on how to take said drug and how to ensure a good trip for both of us. Any advice would be great, thanks!
All these drugs I'd recommend taking orally in a calm comfortable enviornment, with no responsibilites that may need to be attended to for the day/night of the trip and probably the day after as well: 2ci is probably the most comparable to 2ce and fits your criteria fairly well. (20 mgs ) MDMA (Ecstasy) and 2cb are two of the more of the renowned chemicals for couples. MDMA is very minimal on hallucinations but it's a great drug for connecting and opening up with people, a great aphrodisac. (120 mgs) 2cb is more hallucinogenic but generally considered an easier trip than 2ce, it doesn't quite have the opening up qualities of MDMA but is a good aphrodisac as well (25 mgs) Both of these are specifically illegal. 6apb is a newer Research chemical that is not specifically scheduled and has qualities similar to those MDMA and 2cb. (100 mgs) LSD is similar to 2ce as well in many respects but has a long duration. (2 hits)
Thank you for your reply. I have a few other questions to go along with this. I hear that having sex on X is so incredible that it actually makes sober sex undesirable. Is this true by any means? Do any of these drugs cause HPPD?
2ci sounds like a good option, possibly 5-Meo-Mipt as well. However that is less visual or theraputic as 2ci imo. Good for doing with a femal however Sex with x doesn't make sober sex undesireable. Sex feels just as good as it did before x as it does afterwords, its just that on X its so much better than sober. It doesn't make it so sex doesn't feel good anymore unless your rolling, feels just as good as always. Just about any psychedelic can cause HPPD, at least serotonergic which is what most typical psychedelics are. 2CE is known to cause HPPD more so than others
Also, for many boys exstacy can make it really difficult to have an erection. This is not true for all boys but varies person to person. Just something to note and prepare for the possibility of if you choose to take this drug with your lady friend.
I would have to say either do 2ce with her, (twas the first psy that my wife and I did together) or maybe 4-aco-dmt, as its body load is significantly lower than the whole 2c family. As someone said above also 25i would be nice but My wife and I tend to find it less euphoric and more stimulating which some might not want.
Don't feel too jealous of 2ce, it's good visuals, but you're usually sure to VOMIT. Anyway, I'd say you two need to get your hands on some LSD and dose together. Or take any hallucinogens you feel are safe that you find. Be sure to know what it is first. Trip together.
I've done up to 60mg 2c-e and only had passing stomach complaints. It's all about the ginger and cannabis I have never vomited on any psychedelic including a ketamine overdose.
I would not recommend starting out with research chemicals (RC's) personally. Start with shrooms. Since they're natural, you have more of an idea of what you're getting. Take a low dose, maybe 2 or 3 g. Work your way up on subsequent trips to the point where you can handle more. Highly recommend the site erowid.org and the book "Higher Wisdom" on Amazon. I recently finished taking a class about psychedelics at my local college, and Higher Wisdom was our 'textbook'. There's also really good documentaries on YouTube. "Peyote to LSD: A Psychedelic Odyssey", "LSD: The Beyond Within", "Inside LSD", "Ecstasy Rising", "The Union: The Business Behind Getting High" (if you've never even smoked cannabis before, I'd recommend that first). And there's plenty of others. Also, the word 'hallucinogen' is considered a misnomer by most experienced individuals. The word 'psychedelic' (which means mind-manifesting) is a much more accurate way to refer to these substances. Or 'entheogen' when specifically referring to their spiritual usage. I've never experienced MDMA, but if you come upon that, you should be able to handle it as long as you don't pop any more than 2 pills or something. But avoid the street ecstasy that's cut with other stuff. Pure molly is the safest best way. Almost forgot, but the site MAPS.org also has a lot of information about the legal studies being conducted on these substances, and the potentials that they have.
I'd say go with classics Shrooms, why not? You're interested in them, they will be fun, and you'll share an experience. I hear (sadly I haven't been able to try mushrooms yet) that mushrooms may take you to a very cartoony world. Almost like living in claymation, watching the ideas of size and color fade from logical reality. It sounds like the most fun experience of any psychedelic, not to say that you won't be free from a bad trip though LSD if you're up for a full day ride to the circus of the universe, follow the rabbit whole with your girl into a 8-10 hour trip to wonderland. 2 tickets please. Take this drug by itself and you will have Avery vivid dream like experience about everything you sense.beingwithyour girl is a great way for a nice trip, just be prepared for parts that are more serious with your life than you'd imagine from a drug MDMA the love drug, X. Having no experience, I don't know what you'll feel, but I hear it's less about visuals and more about your bodies comple euphoria. Sex on this will be the best. (please note that all psychedelics improve your senses though, including your sense of touch, so sex on any of these drugs will be great, but sometimes it's harder to get off when your busy riddling the universe next to the lizard people) Pot. A nice stoned day with your girl, cuddle, watch movies, have a good time, and everything will be happy. Probably the best way to ensure a good time, unless you'd get paranoid. And my advice with any and all of these drugs. Is never fight the fear. Live the illusion to its brightest taste and enjoy the moment you're in, it will be like nothing else. Just don't be stupid
Recently tried around 40mg(apparently) of AMT at a festival which didn't do much apart from get me really wired with a bit of colour shifts and spaciness, so I ended up just dosing some more acid.. but the other night was insane. 20mg and I had such an amazing time. It is so free and welcoming, and you can drop into the psychedelic realms and resurface at any point you like.. I made myself trip harder at around 6 or 7 hours than I was at 3 or 4 once I got the feel for it.. The wired buzz also keeps you on top of everything.. possibly even "sober"(from an acid/shrooms point of view), and even though I don't particularly like that excess energy(don't really like MDMA that much for the same reason, I'm a chiller ) it was an amazing trip and helped me get through a lot of barriers I didn't even know I put up in terms of my.. "spirituality". I hate that word. To note though, afterwards I am so much more sensitive to colour variations and perspective.. everything's normal but I'm not seeing it the same.. which you might not want, but I'm really looking forward to future paintings with this extra sensitivity to the world Very good introduction to psychedelics, because you can go deep or stay shallow - as opposed to being sucked into to the trip without a choice. Only thing I can see people not liking is the long come up, takes around 2 hours and there can be some nausea/sharp stomach pains. I also think this would be an amazing drug for therapy, because of the empathogenic qualities combined with the psychedelic perspective shift.. helps you talk, and at the same time realise. I've realised I really don't need to go deep any more, I've got the most important message I can from psychedelics - I got it a while ago, I just didn't realise it. Edit: Not a solo trip kinda drug, even though it could be interesting I can see it being a waste, and possibly even slightly uncomfortable. Otherwise man, good ol' shrooms or acid.
