New oppressive laws every american should know about

Discussion in 'Politics' started by StpLSD25, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    I don't lean, I pretty much stand straight, although parts of my anatomy do hang to the left. ;)
     
  2. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    lol woah! I didn't need to know all that buddy!
     
  3. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    I can see that you are not that well read on politics and that’s fine its just that in a debate when you don’t understand something it is normal to do a bit of studying. Well as Letlovin has pointed out to you in another thread - "neo-liberal" is not the same thing as "liberal."

    This will be simplistic and be a gross generalisation but I’ll try and explain - there is political liberalism and economic liberalism (even religious liberalism).

    Political liberals once supported economic liberalism because they believed it undermined the political authority of the few. Then many political liberals realised that economic liberalism had led to a economic authority that curtailed ‘liberty’ as much as political authority did and began to turn against economic liberalism just at the point when wealth began to realise that economic liberalism granted them more power in the shape of economic authority.

    So political liberals became seen by those on the right as ‘left-wing’ opponents because they wished to undermine the power and wealth of the few. But many on the left see ‘liberals’ as being right leaning as they are still great champions of capitalism.

    In the UK at the moment we have a right wing government made up of Liberals and Conservatives.

    In an American context ‘liberals’ are seen as left wing only because much of left wing thought has been systematically purged from US society over the last 50+ years.

    This is why many outside the US believe that Americans have two right wing parties with a centre right Democratic Party and are more right wing Republican Party.

    It is not nitpicking or lying to point out that right wing libertarians are on the more extreme edge of right wing political thought with seemingly rather dogmatic neoliberal ideas.

    I could recommend you some books to read.
     
  4. PsychonautMIA

    PsychonautMIA Chimps gonna chimp

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    Recommend me some books, i need to study up on politics.
     
  5. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    [FONT=&quot]MIA[/FONT]
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    [FONT=&quot]Probably best to start off with some basic histories of economics and political thought. Something like [/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Penguin-History-Economics-Roger-Backhouse/dp/0140260420/ref=pd_sim_b_10"]The Penguin History of Economics and http://www.amazon.co.uk/Plato-NATO-Studies-Political-Thought/dp/0140246770/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335694001&sr=1-1"]Plato to NATO: Studies in Political Thought[/FONT]
     
  6. Gr4ssh0pp3r

    Gr4ssh0pp3r Member

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    A bit of impromptu poetry!

    Chains, Chains, and more Chains.
    Chains, Chains, and more Chains.
    Chains, Chains, and more Chains.

    The rabbit hole is a deep, dark place. Good luck with your return, sweet one.

    Good luck with your return.. you may find those you freed became your captors...
     
  7. gobier182

    gobier182 Guest

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    Here's my thought on this. NDAA has been around for a very long time. It is a bill that appropriates what to give veterans for their paycheck, pension, and other items. In this case, since President Obama signed it at a point where if he didn't veterans couldn't get their deserved pay among other things, he had to sign it or else no one would've been pleased. While at the same time, the bills are not written by him but by Congress.

    My assumption is for the NDAA he got screwed by congress. They probably attached riders or wrote it into the wording of the new bill. Once they called him a n***** during his first congressional speech. I'm sorry, but I don't believe he fully endorses this at all. I do honestly believe that no matter what good he does there will be people in congress that will attempt to tarnish his presidency because he is a democrat, is black, or both.

    I'm certain the NDRP is the same situation. CISPA on the other hand, I don't know about. I can't remember if he was going to sign SOPA but CISPA ... that will be interesting what he does.
     
  8. PsychonautMIA

    PsychonautMIA Chimps gonna chimp

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    Yep he is right, NDAA was proposed and Obama didn't allow it. The newly revised NDAA had to be signed or else no one would help him out in congress, nobody would let him get anything done. Not that i like the guy but on this subject he is correct.
     

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