Can anarchists function together?

Discussion in 'Anarchy' started by afunctionalworld, May 16, 2012.

  1. Gr4ssh0pp3r

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    The only way that anarchists can function as a whole is with the leadership of the divine, in my opinion. Otherwise, even if they do well within, they become beset by forces without.
     
  2. thedope

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    Know thyself. We always choose with a guide.




    We may listen to a song, sing along, or create our own song. That is, matter has three properties, absorptive, reflective, and polarity. You rule the kingdom of your own mind and your rule is inviolate.
     
  3. Gr4ssh0pp3r

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    Teach me more!
     
  4. afunctionalworld

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    I am speaking of a system that allows those choices. I am not speaking of system of thought, tradition, ideaology, or manipulation. Those are institutions as you say. I am only speaking of systems that keep order and a stable flow of material goods, food, services, and care for the infrastructure of the society. System that serve humanity.

    Education would be teaching children how to think and not what to think. Not to tell them their answers are wrong not to tell them the right answers, but how to get the answers. Thinking is different from being right. Existence is not about the right answers but in finding truth. Truth is not being right.

    What do you think are the common needs and goals of humanity. Properly designed systems can only be created if first we determne the purpose and function of those systems. Up to this point in history it seems we try to force humanity to work within the established system. That is why those systems and institutions by nature of the intention and purpose of those system are contrary to our good and needs of humanity.
     
  5. thedope

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    Start a thread concerning the thing that interests you.
     
  6. thedope

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    I am constrained by the self organizing principle of life. It is my only prohibition. In that single prohibition I may find grace.

    Systems are ways of exchanging energy. First lesson, human energy system, the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. It's desire is for you but you must learn to master it.

    Physical and mental health. Beyond that we want everything we want and we want it now.
     
  7. tikoo

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    designing new systems is some people's hobby and
    quite often a lonesome one in which community is a dream .
     
  8. afunctionalworld

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    I believe we were created for community. Even more I believe there is an untapped unrealized energy within humanity. A functional energy that we feel sometimes on a team, in a choir, or at times even with a co-worker that takes us to another zone, another level of existance.

    We often think that to have a group that everyone must be in agreement. This could not be farther from the truth. Neither does being different mean conflict, instead it helps us to see further, to see better, to reach higher. The thing is that in being different we can still work together for the mutual benefit of a group where its not about winning, anymore. Its not about being right. Its about a common vision, a higher goal, the greater importance or what we are together than what we are apart, yet not overlooking the value of each one of the parts.

    Have you ever had things in your head, you don't know why it there or where they came from. Sometimes you just wake up with some idea, you get up and just start writing stuff down. I don't know if I am a fool or some vessel of the universe (we all are vessels). I see a different world than this one, but I don't think I can change the world but I know if there were 25 people working together to make our world better... we could.

    The way of this world takes power away from us. A creative power to accomplish about anything... together. Maybe that is all that is needed to change the world is that ability to function in that capacity with a vision for humanity. Surely there is some dream that we can dream together. Maybe if there are others who feel this way, those people who dream of community dont have to feel so lonely.
     
  9. thedope

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    If you believe that this world takes power away from us, and, you believe in the creative power to accomplish just about anything, then you have thrown your power away as though you never had it. No one need take it from you.

    Your reaching for systemic applications depreciates the power of your own mind and the minds of others to create together.
     
  10. afunctionalworld

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    The world takes that power away by two fronts: one is one telling us what to think as the major part of our education institutions. The other is that differences of thought and values is by nature confrontational. Our power is greater together than what it is separately. Much more is accomplished when energy is combined than when it is keep n separate units.

    I also believe that there is an empowerment when we begin to believe in each other, that even if we function separtely we still help to further generate the energy within each other.

    As I have stated before the systems refer to deal with services that maintain the operations of our society: like electric, water, sewage, food services, and road systems. Systems designed to serve society not to be served by society.
     
  11. Angelus Mcsawself

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    Unfortunately anarchy is in direct contravention of base fundamental, world reality values with regards ethical advancement excepting in rarest cases of hostile action towards result, which should normally only be directed at those targets which maximalise results of ethical probable futures with minimal unethical action. Normally also such actions are undertaken to great expense to the actual cause or people who enact that mission of current clarity. Merely for the single result they attain.

    The result also can often shift in its base of fulcrum and one can find the scale tipped because ones mission was in fact the enemies.
    Though one can often explain this, if it is allowed within the remit of Gods truth towards correctness of the majority, as the balance shifts in favor of a newer argument (sometimes).

    Though at lower world argument levels it is perplexingly a way of life to be somewhat anarchistic (for some) because it is human nature to wish to be allowed to use ones mind for the next achievement of significance, those achievements are best left in the realms of what makes an anarchist happy in standard terms of normalcy.

    For example an anarchist who punk rocks or drinks heavily, is unleashing his free spirit, these are the kinds of future minimalistic acts of rebellion, though those are only two brief examples, which will forever be available as options in the world, though the only question which remains, is in a thousand years time, will the species really still be falling about drunk?

    I do not care if you disagree with these statements, even if you disagree because you believe free spirit is all, even if you disagree because you have a mission, even if you disagree because you have seen the other guys ugly self.

    The truth is, that taking a Government from the standpoint of anarchy as a base value is flawed beyond belief.
    I do not worry if you think the world should just see that and this website is your 'hunting' ground.

    I am capable of terrorist action to excess and I find it vile that perpetuation of this imposed prison towards minds remaining trapped as 'believers' exists. Get with the times, Mansons purple flower wagon of 'anything goes' belongs to me. As it should, nowadays he would and could, last I heard, agree.

    Is is the opposite of is... In an invisible contact with anyone.

    Therefore balance in this world.. Is double check thy hatred for thy Brother, for you strike only the eye which checks twice too.
     
  12. stash napt

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    Anarchy will only manifest when mankind becomes intelligent enough to comprehend not only himself but his fellow man and his retrospect to the planet and the universe. Their is no question to the notion that a monetary free, socialist anarchist society would be the ultimate manifestation of our maturity. But such realizations are far away from the current ego based self-ignorant man.
     
  13. Drum_Rushed

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    Why don't we try it out :D... but seriously it's a hard concept to be succesful with, seeing as the lack of rules would just about throw the world into chaos, however I love the concept and someday hope it to come to fruition.
     
  14. Angelus Mcsawself

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    That can indeed be true, though 'can' appears to slip your vocabulary on this occasion.
    Or 'there is one' does.

    Though some have before also been dropped and appear to not have been with any nudging from higher powers, such is a painful life.



    @stash napt (for comment before)
    I can agree that your argument can appear sound.
    Though in absolute honesty it is probably forever going to be as taboo as me calling myself terrorist, your assessment of a sweeping many in the terms of "current ego based self-ignorant man." is in fact more troublesome than the other comments, due to the fact that I can say I am a risk to the world, but I am saying it.. Therefore it is somewhat improbable, you however offend internal the very 'selves' you hope to alter towards your 'better' future.

    What I am actually saying BTW in my other post, on this topic is that I have had issues which remain unresolved with the world, since it sometimes seems to listen not. Those issues are greater in fact than any quietly progressing human would realise, whats more, those issues appear to be being smothered out of view, sometimes, worldy, if you could grasp that in terms of 'protecting our people'. Not 'damn this damn that'. And no those issues are not particularly going to offend the majority, which ever way any action swung, it is pre-emptive, because suddenly they can find my argument is thiers when it hits home, but today they need not worry about it and the idea of anarchy actually becoming alls concern, is only as a belief system anyway, no-one would particularly be running around causing problems, excepting the fact that others already started that ball rolling and waves hit every shore.

    Yeah I know some see me as evil, yet you appear to be missing the most important fact, that even Hitler wished for order and anarchy was a bomb dropped, much the same as the allies wanted the same and dropped another.
    These arguments when applied to future, Guy fawlkes issues, real or not, open eyes to the possibility that we are angry for a valid reason, given we sit forever quietly normally... It is not supposed to be issued upon us as a terminal punishment by divinity... It is supposed to be only for those who were originally unrecoverable as TERMINALLY OFFENSIVE.. not 'I will burn your empty shed down if you persist in slashing my tires' cases.
     
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    And this is my point about personal power. You/we already have it and it is the belief that we do not that makes one feel powerless. No one can exceed boundaries that they themselves have chosen for themselves.


    We have those things now. If they do not preform to your expectations it is because they are generated by/tied to, economic considerations, (money equals power).

    Do you have a model for generating services that considers the service itself as the end game? As it stands now services exist for the providers to make money or otherwise trade one thing for another.

    I would point out that the services you speak of are not needed, albeit they are desired. It is the proprietary model that you complain about. It is property that sets us apart.

    Regardless, systems are generated by persons and it is through persons that systems are changed. We cannot stop the tide from coming in or going out but we can change our minds, (education
     
  16. thedope

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    That you make any exceptions makes a statement put forth as fact, debatable.

    What is hostile action towards results?

    I am not trying to be rude but
    do you care if we understand what you are saying or is typing practice what you are after?

    By one definition, anarchy is a lack of government.

    I think you have something of value to say here but what that is, I cannot seem to decipher, as you have written it.
     
  17. thedope

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    Mankind is equal to any individual. It only takes one to alter forever, precedent.

    I hear this statement so often, people waiting for some kind of critical mass to develop before they regard something as feasible. Change cannot be complete unless it includes you. Then the quickest way for you to affect change is for you to seek it.
     
  18. stash napt

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    The critical mass is necessary. Mankind is a collective. We don't manifest what we don't want or cannot grasp. I do agree "the quickest way for you to affect change is for you to seek it". This is how change and comprehension is brought to the realization of the collective. However, this takes time and conditioning. One does not simply shift mankind's conscious perspective over night through the actions of himself alone. Behind every great change and revelation their has to be a growing rise consciously and or sub-consciously in man's want and understanding of this change/revelation.
     
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    How long is an instant? There is an event horizon.
     
  20. tikoo

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    when the powerful you conciously touches the sub-concious collective ,
    oo oo , what have you done ? no harm , such a touch could not
    be otherwisely .
     

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