Introducing others to psychedelics for the first time?

Firstly, my girlfriend had been wanting to try weed for a few months now, she had never done any drugs before in her life. But whenever we talked about her trying it, she would keep postponing it because she was to nervous she said. But now it's to late because i have to quit smoking weed due to job i'm going into, i have to take drug tests. So she was a little upset by that, because she still really wanted to try it. But she doesn't want to try it without me.

So, i told her about 4-aco-dmt and said that i was still able to do that with her if she was interested. I informed her what it was, the chemistry behind it, what it does, and the positive and negative effects associated with it. After informing her of all that, she said she wanted to try it.

Now... I'm a little nervous about this, once she consumes the 4-aco-dmt she pretty much becomes my responsibility seeing as how i'm the one letting her try it. She's never done any other drugs in her life before, and 4-aco-dmt can be pretty intense. I myself have only done it once beforehand. Although i've smoked weed daily for over a year and have done very high doses of DXM 5-6 times, and i plan on doing a high dose of 4-aco-dmt before i do it with her, just to get a little more experience.

But how would i go about doing this? I want her to have a nice trip she'll remember seeing as how she'll only do it once, so i don't want to only give her 10mg, i'm thinking 20 will be nice, but do you think that will be to strong seeing as how she's had no experience with drugs before? She's also very light, she's pretty tall but only weighs about 102lbs (she's very skinny) so i think the effects will be a lot stronger for her than what i experienced at 20mg.

I'm just looking for some advice, i have a few questions though:

• Whats a good setting?
• Should i also trip (on a low dose) or stay completely sober to watch over her?
• Whats a good dose for her? I want the experience to be intense and enjoyable for her, yet i don't want it to be overwhelming and spiral her into some bad trip.
• And lastly, should i even be doing this at all?

 

I'm just wondering why you keep making threads that I can find easily (most times) with the search button

 

I'm just wondering why you keep wasting your precious time commenting on them then.

I'm sure there is no thread exactly like this about the exact situation i'm in with the exact drug, dosage, background information, and about my girlfriend.

Thanks for contributing though.

 

• A good setting for 4-aco-dmt is a quiet place that you can do everything from lay down to leave if need be with ease. So don't make it a confining space and I don't recommend having a spot where laying down is not an option. Also somewhere with a scenic nature spot is a huge plus.
  
  
  Really up to you, normally with experienced trippers, I would say you trip around the same dose range as her so you can be on the same/similar psychedelic 'level' as her but seeing as this type of tripping is new to you as well taking a low dose may perhaps be more wise. I still say you take around a similar dose as her seeing as you already realize that you are taking on a greater responsibility turning her on to 4-aco-dmt, I apologize for not really giving you a definitive answer but it's really a judgement call here.
  
  
  4-aco-dmt has a huge variation in response, I've read experienced trippers having strong trips on ~15 mgs while others need about 40 + mgs to get desired effects. I think if she plans on dosing it just once and you're looking for a strong psychedelic journey that ~30 mgs would be a good dose. (I realize that exceeded your dose range)
  
  

You seem well adjusted for your age, I really enjoy turning people onto psychedelics, so I say definitely. I guess some tips that I can pass on is let the individual explore their trip, don't really constantly try and make sure if they are ok or enjoying it, just enjoy your trip (I often feel slightly detracted from my trip when watching someone because of the obligation to 'trip sit' too), connect and be there for them if need be.

 

No, but close enough that the new posts page doesn't need to be plagued by your repetitive questions 4x a day :sunny:

 

^^^ Good advice.

I'd throw in one thing tho, with a caveat, because I dont understand how this works either.
Be prepared for the possibility of no effects for her. As GB said amount and intensity can vary a bit. There are 2 girls I know, one on these forums and a friend I tried introducing to 4 aces, that have had no effects. The latter, we went to a music show. I had 30mg and hers was 25. I tripped very hard, (partially due to setting) and she didn't feel a thing.
I still wonder if its a girl thing or just a person thing.

Other than that, your intention sounds pure. Stay safe.

 

That's a good idea, I've really been wanting to trip in nature lately too and this could be the perfect opportunity to do so, I'm thinking about going to a nearby park to do this possibly.

I think i'll most likely dose the same as her, i think my only fear was that what if she goes into a bad trip, yet i'm tripping as well, so wouldn't know how to help her? But i'm sure i'd be able to pull myself out of it and be able to calm her down if needed, i'm fairly good at acting "normal" while under the influence, i've had conversations with my parents while tripping numerous times.

I also plan on tripping on 40mg a week beforehand, that way i can get a little more experience with this drug first before introducing her to it. That way i'll have more control over it, just in case.

I've heard this too, I've read some pretty crazy trip reports are 15-20mg then others at 50-80mg that don't sound nearly as intense. I guess it varies from person to person. But i for some reason have this feeling that she's going to be a very light weight. She's never done any drugs in her life before and she's never even drank alcohol, so she has absolutely no clue what being "high" or "drunk" even feels like to begin with. And she is very very skinny so i think the effects will be a lot more intense for her than they will be for me, and i tripped pretty hard on 20mg.

I think i'll give her 20mg to start with (Just because i have it all packaged in 20mg dosages to begin with) and then in an hour or so afterwards i'll give her another 10mg or so if she likes. But i doubt she'll need it.

That's a good idea, to not constantly worry and watch over her, that could end up causing a bad trip in itself. I think the best idea would to just act as if we didn't take it in the first place, then just go with the flow. I'm pretty excited for this, i don't necessarily want to get her into drugs, but i don't really consider it a drug, i think of it as a learning tool. I think this experience will let us bond in a way that would otherwise be impossible, i think it'll be a very special trip.

 

Really? Ohman, I'd be kind of embarrassed if i started tripping hard while she stayed completely normal. Because who knows what weird things i might do or say (especially since she's never done any sort of drugs before, so she'd probably think of it as being extra weird), at least if she's tripping too she'll think nothing of it and probably be acting the same

It kicks in pretty quickly though, so maybe i'll let her take it first, wait a few minutes, and if she's feeling anything at all it'll be safe to say she'll end up tripping then i'll take some too.

 

I turned a really close friend on to psychedelics a few weeks ago and this was exactly what we did. We didn't talk about how much we were tripping. It was wonderful. I think it's definitely good when introducing someone to tripping to not try and evaluate either of your trips while your in the middle of them.

 

A water or a blanket is about as much as you can do for someone on a bad trip regardless if you are tripping or not. 4-aco-dmt is the type of trip that even if you are on a dose I assume you could be in a state to provide access to fluids and/or comfort to someone.

 

id start with something natural b4 4acodmt ..
if she digs shrooms than try 4acodmt ..

chemicals tend to have a psychological effect that comes with them with people not familiar or content with drugs..

a pure compound appears quite scary ...

id even give a girl 2c1 in small repeated doses b4 4acodmt ..