Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

I don't think it is meaningful to regard life as a road to somewhere else. It is more helpful to consider growth on a vertical or concentric axis rather than a horizontal or linear axis. That is, the only time intent is manifested is in the present. Things do not happen in the past or in the future. The past and the future are both abstract mental associations, artifacts of present considerations.

Everything is an idea. Sin is an idea.

Sin is to perceive any situation as without goodness, to "miss the sign of god". What legitimate stable metric can we use to define good or evil? There is none. Our complaints in this world stem from the misapprehension of what is so. We have no legitimate excuse to anger, ever. Anger arises from abstract mental projection.

 

Some people grow religiously others grow spiritually. Christ showed us that we are capable of completely dying to self and to temporal (worldly things) things. That what God requires of man can be achieved and there are no excuses. through christ's passion he showed us that truly faith without works is dead indeed. That if Christ could give up his life through his passion we can be saved IF we do that same in our lives for others remember he did this to show us so that we may believe that self-sacrifice is God's Will Some people think there is a white bearded man somewhere in the clouds I believe God is all light all energy and all matter that nothing utters a sigh without being of God even evil can't manifest without using God's universe and the energy therein that is why evil is a lie and satan the master of all liers and lies he has no power but will make it seem that way.

You are seeking and seeking is a healthy awesome thing to do in this life keep seeking for answers and you will find them. God Bless!

 

The plan for Adam and Eve to stay "spotless" was a test. There was always a back up plan to save the sorry souls that are born in ignorance. Those that believe in Jesus will get out alive at the end. Very condensed lay explanation of what the bible says.

 

Good morning from the east coast! Well I'm not sure if you're question has yet been answered, but I would love to help you out. The reason that, if you truly believe and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior, that He was sent down here... is because that God loves us, loves us more than anything else in the world. Now what seperates us from God is that we're NOT Him, meaning that we are not 100% perfect, meaning that we sin on a daily basis, and fall into temptation,etc. Now that said, during that time before the arrival of Christ, there was a terrible amount of sin and anarchy in the world.

*John 3:16-17*
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."

This is reason why God sent Jesus, to save us all, from sinning and burning in hell for the rest of eternity. As far fetched and silly it might sound to some people, this is no coincidence. Since my spiritual eyes have opened by the Lord, you just come to learn and look at things differently. For example, just appreciating life and every little thing, it just comes naturally...

But the reason why Jesus died for us on that cross, was for our wrongdoing. Our sins, everything we did wrong throughout our lives, everyone of us, and God loves us SO much that He sent his Son down to Earth to be sacrificed so that, even though we sin, we still can get into Heaven after we die. Philosophically speaking, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get into Heaven, because we all sin, everyday, including myself. As a catholic, I respect and value other people's opinions and views on life and religion, but just throwing it out there... ever since my relationship with God and Jesus Christ has significantly strengthened, I have just been indescribably happy! And like I said, it is no coincidence... So I leave you with that to ponder about and God bless you all!

 

from what i understand about the scriptures jesus was a sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins because in old isreal the people sacrificed animals to make atonement for their sins. so since jesus was the messiah of isreal it makes sense that his sacrifice would fall in the same context as the sacrifices of old isreal who sacrificed animals.

hebrews 9:11-14

"But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. Not with the blood of bulls and goats, but with His own blood he entered the Most Holy place once for all having obtained eternal redepmtion. For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"

hebrews 9:18-20

"Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and spinkled both the book itself and all the people, saying, "This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you."

hebrews 9:22

"And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission."

hebrews 9:23

"Therefore it was necesary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."

hebrews 10:1-4

"For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins."

hebrews 10: 12-14

"But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, from that time waiting until His enemies are made His footstool. For by one offereing He has perfected forever those who are being sactified."

 

The difference between giving your own life and sacrificing animals is vital personal investment.

 

He killed his firstborn, all are equal in the eyes of god? Makes you wonder......

I found a book the other day, was about a man writing the bible and then having the originals stolen or something, I forget the name.

 

nice to see you thedope. i see you've been hiding out in the christian forums.

 

Your vision is limited but nice to see you as well.


The practice was of scapegoating.

What would be more vital to you, sacrificing a goat to god, an increment of your total flock, or pouring out the whole of your own vitality?

Where our treasure lies is our heart also. If your most vital interest is your herd, then what does that say about where devotion is?

 

it says the devotion is to mammon.

so yes, one's own life is more vital.

what is the point you are trying to make here?

 

Devotion to mammon is antithetical to devotion to god and antithetical as well to true dispensation.

That is, in truth the measure we give is the measure we receive, but the reward of mammon, the profit motive, dictates that best value is had by maximum return on minimum investment.

If then the measure you give is the measure you receive, the profit motive is the surest way to poverty and distorts our perception of real value. The struggle in our existence has always been between these two claims on life, between god and mammon, not between good and evil.

 

Jesus was crucified because of the beliefs he held in the society he lived in during the time. I guess beyond that fact it's open to interpretation.

I honestly don't understand how any of this becomes grounds for the reason as to why God would suddenly want to forgive our sins, at least from the Catholic viewpoint. I myself am not Catholic. People have the tendency to draw conclusions to their flavor.

 

I think the problem may be in giving too literal an interpretation to a metaphor. When Jesus was crucified, his followers faced the challenge of explaining how the man who convinced them he was the Messiah could perish like a common criminal. Two general lines of explanation were put forward. The Gnostics denied that it happened: either Jesus was a kind of holographic projection of a human body to mask a non-corporeal spirit or he somehow arranged for a substitute to take his place on the cross (the latter view being the one Muslims tend to accept). The proto-orthodox Christians, who ultimately prevailed in the struggle between competing memes, accepted Paul's atonement model, which parallels the Jewish traditions of the Paschal lamb and scapegoating. To me, the crucifixion represents the triumph of the divinely human spirit over Roman bureaucracy, the hypocrisy of the religious establishment, and one of the most hideous devices of torture invented by perverted human minds. We know of Jesus' tormentors today--Pontius Pilate and Caiaphas, and the high and mighty rest--as bit players in the story of Jesus--who has totally eclipsed them, whose name is on the lips and in the hearts of Christians today all over the world. Saint Augustine said that Jesus went to the cross as the bridegroom goes to the bride--an even better metaphor.

 

That is an amazing question and I would love to find someone with the answer. My take on why he allowed Jesus to be put thru so much torture and his eventual death is he was showing that nothing comes easy, and that we all face times where sacrifice is called for. Its how we handle those times of despair that define us in this world and others.

 

From a secuilar point of view I think Jesus was real and allowed himself to be killed so that his message would get greater attention. Even without a God myth involved his self sacrifice, for humankind to pay attention to his teachings, is greatly amazing.

 

Frankly it is the quality of the teaching and the effect it had on those he taught, that makes it enduring. They were convinced before he died. His death actually called the whole teach9ing into question. Although I can see where an sympathetic sentiment could prove an attraction, I don't think martyrdom was/is the prime mover.

 

Knowing how the people of that time believed in the concept of sacrifice to the extent that they would kill an innocent animal and offer God the bloody corpse in return for spiritual favor, is it possible that Jesus understood that those people would not drop the idea that they needed to sacrifice living things on a regular basis in order to receive forgiveness unless there was a sort of cover-all sacrifice made to end the need for future sacrifice? And so he decided to do those people, and the animals a favor by offering himself up as a ransom; thus killing two birds with one stone.

Thus, perhaps this guy Jesus, real or not, did, in a sense die for their sin; that sin being their belief that they were born into sin, and that they could absolve themselves of the responsibility for that sin by throwing an animal under the bus in place of themselves.

Sorry for the long sentences, but I'm in a hurry and am just thinking out loud.

 

Above and beyond that, I'd have to say that I want no part of a God that is satisfied by blood, suffering, and death.

 

There were many 'preachers' during that time, before and after. Would his teachings have endured without the crucifixtion? His actions the week preceding arrest and death were provocative and were surely designed to cause a reaction.

 

I dont think Jesus or anyone would sacrifice theirself to stop animal sacrifice.

Whats up with early mankind killing living things for 'Gods' favor. Even the Aztecs and Inca were doing it around the same time as the holy land humans. And they had no contact with each other so where did the idea of sacrifice come from? Probably political and religious manipulation. The kings and priests calling on the people to bring sacrifices (supper) for blessings. lol