High Dose 2C-E experiences

Oh yah if that ain't trollin right there I don't know what is.

 

Well atleast you "got me" there.

TS, this thread is done being hijacked, back to topic.

 

I understood what Felix was after. The video was an attempt to CLARIFY WHAT HE MEANT after you said "nope". I don't think the edit was necessary.

 

I've tried it at doses from 7-20mg and the 20mg trip was by far the best one I had (It was also with 3mg of 5-meo-mipt, helps with the body load). Next time I'm gonna go for 25-30mg, haven't decided quite yet

 

It wasn't neccesary at all so I'm putting the link back up in case someone else benefits from it since I do find the vid to be enlightening :sunny:

 

At least my quote isn't attached to the video anymore, appreciate it.

 

Ya don't worry, I will not associate your name with a vid link about love and unity.

 

I feel you on this, I was just mentioning that at those higher doses the visual element really DOES shine. I love 2c-e BECAUSE it isn't the easiest thing to work with. It's really a teacher, sometimes a gentle teacher, sometimes a cruel mistress that whips you hard, but it ALWAYS brings me some learning.

I haven't had a TON of experience with other psychs, but out of the ones I've tried I'd put 2c-e highest on the list in terms of therapeutic benefit, even above more classically used psychs like mdma and L.

The forced positivity that MDMA gives may be beneficial for reviewing traumatic life events and working with PTSD and such, but at the same time it doesn't seem to 'teach' in the way that 2c-e does. I'm more comfortable talking about negative life-cycle 'ish on a heavy does of this than E.

2C-E takes me to darker places, mentally, but that's what I most need. Every time I've done it it illuminates MY place in the bullshit in my life. As said before sometimes it does this gently, other times more directly, but it doesn't let me squirm out of something. If it decides to show me some of my faults it does so without requiring permission, it'll just go there.

This last trip illuminated for me how much of a dependence I am starting to develop towards alcohol and made me rethink the complete lack of value that drinking SHOULD hold in my life instead of the cornerstone it's taken up.

I just wish that substances like this could be incorporated ABOVE GROUND into therapy sessions. I could imagine 5-6 hours with a skilled therapist and some psychs would bring about more positive change than I could imagine, as just tripping alone or with a close friend seems to bring about a lot of positive change all on it's own.

:love:

 

Ok well you've established how 2ce and MDMA can have different niches for therapy. What about 2ce vs LSD? Do you not think LSD can provide those same type of effects elicited by 2ce?

 

I agree with you man. 2c-e is quite epic when it comes to insights and healing. Myron Stolaroff valued it more than LSD as well for this exact reason. If you haven't checked out the chapter on 2c-e, here it is:
http://www.maps.org/t2e/c6.html

And here is a book of how one therapist used psychedelics into his work:
http://www.maps.org/secretchief/sctoc.html

It all comes down to truly accepting (non judgement) all aspects of yourself as they come up, this is true healing. We have locked away these aspects so we can function in our day to day but 2c-e definitely starts opening the doors.

i wish you the best on your healing journey

 

i feel like i've gotten a special peak at something from 2ce that LSD doesn't provide. and that's without ever having dosed more than ~20 mg. i really don't think i'll be going up to 40 mg or so, because i just CAN'T believe that the body load is gonna disappear. ok, maybe the body load during the trip, but the GI issues after? the headache?

i may dose 25 mg the next time i do it, which will be who knows when.

 

I know, I didn't think the body load would disappear in such a fashion but, eh, it literally wasn't present.

AS mentioned it still presented some GI "issues", but I think that's inevitable. The main thing that wasn't present was no nausea and no stomach cramping. I still had to pop a squat a number of times, which wasn't fun, but didn't have that "eeeeeeccck" feeling that I usually get on lower levels of 2c-e.

The other day I tried a small dose, barely threshold, and it had me vomiting. it's weird, i'm telling you, 8-15 mg, even up to 20 or 24 mg, gets me going but presents all sorts of body load issues. This high dose just kinda took all those and threw them under the bus.

I hear you on the apprehension on trying such a large dose but if you've got a full 24 hours to kill and are in a safe place it could be worth it. I was watching my body break down into pinpoints of light, my face changing to that of the Christ while staring in the mirror, all kinds of esoteric "good stuff" that I tend to seek in psychs.

Buddhist imagery was purrrfect at this level. Watching the desktop background, the mother of all Buddhas, draw and redraw herself, arms waiving, wooo.

I've heard rumors that taking benadryl before any 2c tends to drop the body load substantially. Anyone have experience with that? I would be way more comfortable on lower doses if I could just cut down on the stomach knots.

 

Of course. Studies have shown that LSD therapy is one of the most effective forms to counteract alcoholism... And honestly I've had some amazing L trips as well. I suppose it comes down to the person, the sitter, the setting, like all good or bad trips do.

I tend to find my emotional and "head space" to be more lucid and clear on 2c's. Classic tryptamines like L and mushies tend to produce more of a chaotic thought-pattern and thought-loop cycles for me that do not seem to be as present (though they can show up) on phenalymines.

In terms of therapy I think they all have a place. I'm REALLY curious about 2c-b because THAT has been heralded as "the one" for therapy sessions by the Shulgins and others, but ... well, it'll come around when the universe is ready to let me have it.

 

^And yet that stuff is Schedule I in the United States^

Proof that this government does NOT want people to be well. It's really sad.