... Just putting this out there. I tend to think it SHINES at 40-50mg... All that body load just dissappears as you're vibrating with the universe and ... Well, opening it up. Anyone else like to take this chem at these kind of levels? :daisy:
I've took 2ce at 52 mgs and at the time I did feel like it was a dose where it sort of shed the body load a bit compared to lower doses. However my most recent trip was on 20 mgs and that was perhaps the best my body has felt on 2ce by itself. I did enjoy that high dose range tho.
Well the experience i'm going through right now is about 50mg I like the body load. I threw up earlier though :/ but after that it kicked in hard
I did it once at 15mg and then second time I jumped to 60mg and indeed the body load seemed much less, and certainly the experience was of a different caliber. I did it again recently at 30mg and had an amazing time, although the experience felt closer to 15mg than 60mg for me, though there was some functional requirements that fell upon me during the trip so that sobered me up a lot. http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=406821&f=126
The most i have taken orally has been 70mg i believe. With the oral route of ingestion, for me the more negative effetcs of the bodyload and the bodyload in general are lessened. 70mgs was a great trip, very vivid open eye visuals and the feeling of euphoria was quite intense. 25mgs of 2C-E IV'ed though, the bodyload was VERY uncomfortable during the initial 15seconds or so...I actually peed myself a little, but shortly after the swirling psychedelic world that suddenly goes silent and then roars into blissfulness, newfound clarity as far as hearing goes, every little detail. It was incredible, i fell to my knees at one point in the woods where i was tripping with HipForums member TNS, and felt the Earths pulse underneath me. Not sure if i would ever do that again though, very intense. Almost as intense coming up wise as DPT can be.
I never purposefully took a large dose, but mixed up some containers I had and ended up on about 50mg... and really after that it was an amazing experience. I definitely liked the psychedlia at 17-22mg range, but this experience blew everything I have ever known out of the water. My fractals had fractals, rainbow patterning everywhere, full-blown OEV that left the universe around me looking like nothing I had ever seen before. Not recommending it for anyone's first time, but if you get comfortable with it you can definitely take it "to that level" without fear of OD. The body load totally disappeared at that level other than the inevitable shits that seem to always come with this substance. I don't know why I don't see this out at more festivals / dance parties. Seems like one of the more ideal combinations in terms of body feelings and sensory perception, etc. Especially audio/music. Everything to me sounds like it's being run through a warm stereo delay with a bit of echo. It's a weird substance in that at low doses I can't deal with the body load very well, but anything above 20+ mg and the psychedelia seems to over-ride any bits of nausea one might have. I was expecting stomach knots at 50mg and somehow they just never came through. Which was great. Normally I like to write up a trip report about something just to have it for future reflection but really it was just too intense to really reflect on. Glad Mr.Writer and others are able to articulate their experiences more clearly than I could. It was like a rocket, one minute everything was cool and then when it hit it just took over totally.
I definitely do prefer 2c-e and 2c-i (maybe all phens) at lower doses but not the other psychedelics. Just because the 2c-e bodyload is alot heavier at lower dose for me doesn't mean that I like it less. I appreciate bodyloads because they make me crumble and surrender my ego, I am able to enter a much deeper perspective through the surrendering. I was able to accomplish alot more meditatively/spiritually at 10mg instead of 20mg. feel me?
my 20mg trip was jus sitting in my bed , trying to meditate, I felt like a furry cat, not much clarity. at 30mg i had no bodyload and was working out while watching music vids, I believe I worked out for 4 hours and had a blast.
I feel you felix. I agree, strongest body load I've felt on 2c-e was at 10mg, and that trip was quite intense. I agree that in some ways it was weirder (perhaps set [third day tripping in a row...] and setting did a lot for that) than subsequent doses of 12mg, 16.5mg, 18mg, or 20mg + 1 tab of L.
Myron Stolaroff was also a big fan of 2c-e at low doses. i don't think I would have given much importance to trying microdoses if I hadn't read his chapter on 2c-e: Chapter 6 A Most Remarkable Material, 2C-E http://www.maps.org/t2e/c6.html
I don't have any fuckin idea how this video relates to my response, seems like you're trying to be the driver.
I dont understand how you can't follow my explanation of why I prefer a smaller dose of 2c-e. You automatically associated bodyload as being negative, and i explained that it is actually a positive for me because I go much farther through surrendering. Bodyload makes me surrender, you get it? Psychedelics isn't just fun and games for me. It's a deep meaningful spiritual journey for me. I don't care so much for tracers/fractals as I do being mentally/emotionally clear. Here is a prayer that The Secret chief used before taking his patients on a psychedelic journey (I use something similar but without religous references): Lord, I know not what I ought to ask of thee; Thou only knowest what I need; Thou lovest me better than I know how to love myself. O Father, give to Thy child that which he himself knows not how to ask. I dare not ask either for crosses or for consolations; I simply present myself before thee, I open my heart to Thee. Behold my needs which I know not myself; see and do according to Thy tender mercy. Smite, or heal; depress me or raise me up; I adore all Thy purposes without knowing them; I am silent; I offer myself in sacrifice; I yield myself to Thee: I would have no other desire than to accomplish Thy will. Teach me to pray. Pray Thyself in me. AMEN. - François de Salignac Fenelon Archbishop of Cambray, 1651�1715, AD http://www.maps.org/secretchief/sctoc.html
I 'understood' what you were saying however I didn't 'feel' you insofar as that in the vast majority of my psychedelic experiences and what I've usually read have differed.
Ok sir, i will edit my post and erase the vid link. Also don't fuckin bother to reply to my posts when you are on your period. :afro: