A controversial topic, adult sex with children

Life:

Yes. We can change thankfully.

Aerianne:

We could die tomorrow. I don't think Life is really trying to make any other point or suggestion other than that sexuality is something that could be regarded openly, freeing it from everything that is potentially harmful in any of its countless instances.

 

Sex between an adult and a child is rarely (very rarely) like what was described in the OP.

More often it is a feature of the power of the adult over the child. The child's statement of consent (I'm not agreeing that a child can give informed consent, but not arguing it here. "stated consent" is what the child does (e.g. not fight) and/or says.)

The child's statement of consent is a display of the adult's power over them. The (unstated?) threat of removal of affection (is a child experienced enough to distinguish between feigned affection and the real thing) is a power play.

I could go on...

In our society, the difficulty in distinguishing between what some might call healthy sexual relations between an adult and child and abusive sexual contact is so difficult and the results of childhood sex abuse so severe that I don't think that loosening the general distain for sex between adult and child is a good thing.

 

Isn't that what pain is for? If we are damaging our bodies we feel pain so we stop doing it.

When I was about 6 years old I didn't draw a man with pants and short hair and a woman with a skirt and long hair. When I was six I drew a man with a penis and a woman with boobs. When I was about 8 I wanted to suck tits and when I was about 10 I fantasized about eating adult pussy. I was raised in the same home as everybody else. My parents never talked about sex and I have never seen them do it. I knew there was something special about the genital area because we had to hide them from other people. If at 6 I knew what a blowjob was I might have asked for it. Or maybe when I was 8.

 

Fact.

No matter what you may feel about any particular event, human behavior is varied.

 

I was speaking in general.

Regardless, I remember on the news like 4-5 years ago where there was this cult that actually raised a society teaching it's inhabitants that sex was normal and encouraged. Even in this somewhat promoting of the body, rather than shaming or hiding it, lots of really unethical and disturbing things were happening.

Marriages and consummation of those marriages with girls and boys as young as 10 or even younger occurred regularly. And from some interviews with a few young ladies who escaped the cult as adults describe "instinctively knowing" that engaging in those kinds of sex acts were wrong.

 

Not to mention that the situation in the original post would rightfully get the child removed from the home.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

My point is that you can't separate sex for fun, and sex for procreation. The same act yields the same result. If you go into a sexual encounter and don't fully grasp the possibility of a pregnancy, well then you're going to have an unplanned pregnancy.

You mentioned earlier about not following the "norms of society." Incarcerated criminals also think outside the box. They do anything but follow societies standards. You can kill a dozen people, rob ten banks, set fire to fifteen churches, and walk into prison with the respect of your fellow inmates. But what happens when youre introduced to the prison system after having sex/sexual acts with one child? I think we all know the answer to that. Which I think says a lot.

 

The answer is simple............... No, it's not OK.

 

Actually there's a law that if you have sex with a minor it's considered rape. I'm not sure what the laws are regarding incest but I'm sure we could look it up.

 

^I think it's called statutory rape. Although those same laws also have flaws in them too, and have gotten a lot of fairly normal behavior among older teens (16-17) just slightly underage labeled sex offenders as well.

But the laws are in the right place.

 

You are simply stating the obvious. I'm sure most people are aware of that fact. But just because human behaviour is varied, doesn't mean that all human behaviour is positive, or healthy. There are lots of negative aspects of human behaviour, just as there are lots of positive aspects of it.

Precisely. That is what I meant earlier when I said that children are simply not advanced or mature enough in terms of brain development to consent to a sexual act on the same level as an adult. Therefore, even if a child is "giving consent" to a sexual act with an adult, it is still abuse on the part of the adult. As they are taking advantage of the child's naivety and lack of full and total awareness of the subject. Which is why I draw the comparison between an adult having sex with a child, and bestiality. They are both wrong for very similar reasons. Why is it that there are a far greater percentage of unplanned pregnancies in underage age groups than in any other? A child is simply unable to grasp the gravity of participating in a sexual act at such a young age.

Puberty, and the physical changes that accompany it, is actually a very big clue that even nature itself does not intend for young bodies to participate in sexual activities until they are fully matured. The same as why a higher than average percentage for children born with deformities and abnormalities is present in cases where the parents are related. Even nature itself, points to childhood sex and incest being wrong.

 

Thanks for backing up what I've been trying to say.

Although now I'm confused, are we talking about children or teenagers? They're all young, but there is a significant brain development difference between the two age groups. Regardless the overall point of your post remains the same, the young really don't tend to comprehend the consequences of sex. (sidenote: Neither do some adults for that matter)

 

Sounds like those kids were forced or manipulated into doing it. That is not what I am talking about. If a child "instinctively knows" that it's not right to engage in sex acts then the child should not do it, simple as that.

Why do you guys keep forgetting my most important premise?
The child is in control! The adult does not take the initiative, the child does. The adult does not try to persuade the child or manipulate the child or force the child in any way. The child dictates the rules of the game, who touches who and where and how and the child dictates when the game starts and when it ends!

What does the adult do? Nothing but obey the child and yes also make sure they don't damage the child physically or get her pregnant.

I am not saying this premise is always true, it's probably almost never true. However, I'm saying that IF THIS PREMISE IS TRUE then I do not see how you can call that abuse or how the child will be traumatized from that experience.


Now maybe my example would never happen. Maybe children "instinctively know" that sex with adults is "wrong" (whatever that is). In that case, no problem, then they will not ask for such a thing and so it will not happen.

 

I get you're point, however I dont think you're gettin ours. A child is......a child. Children cannot grasp the gravity of sexual behaviors, and therefore it is impossible for them to be in control. A child may believe he is in control when he wants to go pet that cute dog with white foam oozing from its mouth, but he doesn't understand the consequences that may result. Therefore the child is not in control.

 

The number of mental health disorders among adults which have links to or are aggravated by a history of child sexual abuse blow your unsubstantiated claims out of the water.

Furthermore, bullshit like this is fodder for paedophiles seeking justification or reinforcement.

Research before you post around about such a serious topic.

 

Yes, I state what could be obvious but I don't think people appreciate the obvious. Most people would simply say there are good and bad people or actions.

Positive or healthy, or negative, are also aspects that are variably perceived. If we are talking about the appropriate age or ages in relation to each other for consensual sex, then that number is also variable.

What I think is that in general not enough is known about what is, to make serviceable recommendations as to what should be or how to achieve it.

In many cases human behavior is not mindful or considered. Some people do things on the strength of sensational impulses that do not consider consequences.

 

I would agree with the above post......if we were talking about a different topic. The OP said adult and child. A child has about the same ability to consent to sexual behavior with an adult, as he/she does signing off on a billion dollar loan from a loan shark.

I don't care which way you look at it, it is wrong. If someone was doing this to my niece or nephew, I would have no moral issue with taking the life away from that person. Whether that is right or wrong can be debatable, but in my mind there are no variances that can make sexual misconduct with a child even remotely close to being acceptable.

 

Yep, this is really the core of why Life!'s scenario is not only wrong, but it is in actuality, an oxymoron. Even if a child verbally consents to a sex act, they are never really in control of that situation. So it is in actual fact, impossible for a child to give proper, informed consent when it comes to participating in sexual acts with adults.

 

I've said this before, bodily harm happens to the child in the scenario the OP describes, even in his hypothetical example. Also, the argument that experiencing pain stops the sex act from continuing just doesn't hold up, not even with adults.

If pain instantly stopped the sex act as a absolute rule, I don't think a lot of even grown women would lose their virginities. The organs there can not get aroused in the way an adult's body does at all.

So psychological reasons aside, here is a purely physical reason why it's wrong.

 

Please be trolling.