wanna see 3,699 packets of herion

Fuck tha police

 

LOL any around my town? Saw approx a quarter ounce of crazzzzzzy shit a couple of weeks ago. Actually is was over a month ago now that i come to think about it. It BLEW MY MIND, seeing that much dope at once. When i was living/using in NJ/PA i only ever saw stamp bags for the most part and sometimes 'weight' but at most i only got a gram or something. I was SO high. To OP, in one of your posts you said what choice is there in regards to not having withdrawals and whatnot. Dude there are lots of choices, dont get me wrong, i LOVE dope, but i have managed to get my addiction under control. Dont be a slave to the shit man. Sounds like your heading that way.

 

ah, good ol jersey dope haha

 

well i was starting to be a slave snorting 2 bags at once, never used a needle though, n noe my other conn. dried up today was rough n i got me a few vics to help. here,s that pic of the 3,699 bags again http://wearecentralpa.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=356352

 

Honestly, that's kind of, sort of, really messed up.

Even if the individual on trial did it, and even if they did other things, SOO?

They did it because the war on drugs makes doing it a job opening that someone will fill.

I would vote to acquit in a heartbeat, and refuse to change my vote for anything. Judges and prosecutors will argue otherwise to get themselves "tough on crime" reputations by loading juries, but the jury is there to judge the law, the application of the law and fairness in that situation, the conduct of those applying the law, and the alleged lawbreaker. The court is often more suspect than the defendent.

 

I thought I was going to, but once I heard the case, there was no way in hell I could.

This guy was not only too stupid to be alive, he was a repeat offender (though all that could be said about his offenses were that there was at least one drug related one), but he endangered so many lives, lost control near a well-populated park and T-boned a Caddy, pinning it to a telephone pole.

All he had to do was pull over after he missed the traffic light (at legal speed) and he would've got a ticket; but instead he goes on a ridiculous police chase, reaching speeds of around 100 mph, swerving through traffic, going through red lights at busy intersections, then up and down alleyways. The way I see it; the drug laws are absolutely irrelevant to his extreme irresponsibility, and dangerous levels of stupidity and apathy towards his fellow citizens.

 

You don't have to convict on all charges....

I see what you mean, but you also have to consider why he had so much (the war on drugs) and then why he was so scared of being caught with so much (the war on drugs).

 

But if I was the only dissent on the drug charge (which I would've been), then the whole trial would've been hung. And it is not immoral to prohibit it, I still feel that heroin distribution is an immoral trade (with a few other drugs that are just too dangerous for widespread, recreational use) and therefore, not a justifiable reason to push the issue, when there were such an overwhelming number of charges. The sacrifice was worth it, because it would not have been worth the tax money, justice system's trouble, or human life through man hours.

If he had shrooms, cannabis, cocaine; I wouldn't be able to say that; and my decision would have been much harder.

Whether you agree about heroin being a community destroying drug, or not; or whether that's a byproduct of it's illegality; or whether that makes it a shady business is another debate for another time.

For the record: We did let him off on one charge, for resisting arrest; because the officer himself said he just struggle a bit when being cuffed and flailed his arms about, which is pretty standard.

 

I'm not saying the guy was nice, I'm saying that the war on drugs made him what he was.

Also, I don't like heroin or opiates, but bear in mind that addiction to them isn't even as socially harmful as alcohol if they're available.... If you could work a nine-to-five and have the money for the dope equivalent of a six pack, there would be no crime around it, it's that a habit costs tens to hundreds of dollars a day to support that drives users to the sorts of lives they live.

Also, heroin is just an opiate, it's diacetyl morphine, double potency morphine, there's opiates available at every pharmacy that are many times as potent as heroin.

The war on drugs is why heroin is deadly and destroys communities, and enforcing the laws on it only make it worse, and less just. The guys who lied about oxy not being addictive have done far worse than this guy, and endangered millions of lives.....

So yeah, I see where you came from on that, but personally would have at least pushed the rest of the jury to consider dropping the drug charge with you.


And dangerous or not, people will make their own choices on the matter, legal or not. I think it's a personal issue, not a legal one. Not to downplay what you know or think of drugs, but I bet a prosecutor could convince you to say the same about methamphetamine, which is quite literally down at walgreens in the exact same chemical form as on the corner, it's a heavy-duty weight loss drug.

 

Maybe, maybe not. A black market trade of heroin into poor neighborhoods could still cause the same problems if it were legal; it most definitely wouldn't to the same extent, but it would all depend on how the legal market is run, and if there is an opportunity to make money doing it.

The prosecutor didn't attack the drug at all, really; he emphasized the amount, and how much it was worth, asked the cops about how it's used and sold (to prove the intentions to distribute), and passed it around the jury booth.
I would've made the same decision about meth. But I want to emphasis my point that the specific circumstances surrounding the act, and my personal feelings towards the danger and nastiness of the drug, are what would cause that decision.
I would've made the same decision if it was a doctor with a car full of smuggled desoxyn.

I'll advocate their legality; I'll cite them in the numbers of drug related offenders in jail; but if they're going around risking the lives of me, my family, my neighbors and their families; I'll gladly use the drug charge to try to keep them in there as long as possible.
And the prison system is a load of shit that needs reformed too.

 

I think all your points may be fair....

But even the one about the prison system being a load of shit would be enough to make me hang a jury for most things.

If I was on a murder jury, and the defendent could face the death penalty if convicted, I would vote to acquit, no matter what the situation. Because two wrongs don't make a right, and if you go along with the system, you're a peer of the accused who chooses to use the law, as long as that happens it won't get better.

If the judicial system is a sham and exists for itself, how can you feed it, just because the other option it gives you is not doing two wrongs? That's what they want you to do, to believe that being tough on the baddies means being TOO tough, or NOTHING.... But you can choose nothing, it may be better to be an absolutist than to let things slowly go downhill for all of us.

And I was not saying legal at a pharmacy, or at least, not so that there is an unfed market. I think nearly all drugs, other than antibiotics, should be legal, There should be education about it, but..... I'm an absolutist.

Even if drugs should be controlled, the current system has NO more legitimacy to be the ones to do it.

In a sick way, the largest chunk of evidence that's always trotted out in support of the prison industry and death penalty is always that juries choose to use them.

Not saying you did the wrong thing, just seizing on my chance to preach.

 

I agree completely. When I was going to college, in speech and English I did presentations and papers about the danger of prohibition. My anti-prohibition speech was the easiest one I did because all I had to do was remember a couple quotes and sum up my views.

I don't know that my decision was in contradiction to my beliefs or not. I've always thought it kinda funny that things turned out the way they did. But it's still the right one to me.

Hey, we all have our own views, man. Even when we have same view, the details are always different.

Funny aside; the book I was reading during jury duty, was "The Life of Pi" which turned out to be an allegory supporting religion, by an agnostic, anti-organized-religion fellow. And the book's thesis is "Why not choose the better story?", which in the context of the story (most of it's a lie), admits metaphysics are sketchy.

 

i,m done with this shit for now. i,m happy with my subs

 

isn't the job of the jury to determine if the person broke a law, not to determine whether that law is just?

 

No. It's called jury nullification.
Most courts/judges downplay that part, or don't explain it as an option, but many legislators and justices over the years have stated that it's a most important part of civil juries.

I actually didn't know about this when I served; but I also knew that the juries' decision was the juries' decision; no explanation necessary. So I sort'f did.

 

hmm, interesting. didn't know that

 

another guy from town beat this guy creig, for getting busted with 3,699 packs of. herion

A MAJOR DRUG BUST IN BLAIR COUNTY WEDNESDAY MORNING. THE DRUG TASK FORCE RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM THE F-B-I THAT A COURIER WAS TRANSPORTING A LARGE AMOUNT OF HEROIN TO ROARING SPRING. OFFICERS FOUND THE SUSPECT VEHICLE AT 700 ROCKINGHAM AVENUE AND ARRESTED JOSEPH CASTRO JUNIOR OF THAT ADDRESS…AND NICHOLE RANKIN AND PETER DONATO BOTH OF TIRE HILL. THEY SEIZED MORE THAN 6-THOUSAND BAGS OF HEROIN WITH A STREET VALUE OF OVER 180-THOUSAND DOLLARS. THEY ALSO NABBED 5 HANDGUNS, 13 RIFLES, 8 SHOTGUNS…2 OF THEM SAWED OFF…MARIJUANA, SCALES, DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, AND 16-THOUSAND DOLLARS IN CASH. ALL 3 SUSPECTS ARE IN THE BLAIR COUNTY PRISON WITH PRELIMINARY HEARINGS SCHEDULED TUESDAY.

STATE AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS SAY A FEDERAL GRAND JURY HAS INDICTED 15 SUSPECTED DRUG DEALERS IN CONNECTION WITH A MULTI-STATE DRUG RING BASED IN JOHNSTOWN. 12 OF THE SUSPECTS ARE FROM CAMBRIA, INDIANA, AND WESTMORELAND COUNTIES. THE OTHERS ARE FROM DETROIT. THEY’RE ACCUSED OF POSSESSING AND SELLING NARCOTICS INCLUDING HEROIN AND THE POWERFUL NARCOTIC OPANA. AUTHORITIES ALSO SEIZED ILLEGAL FIREARMS, INCLUDING SEVERAL SEMI-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.

 

Goddamn, it's still everywhere though lol

 

get off the shit guys i did h for cpl years man and pills for awhile b4 and during now im clean on methadone heroine is bad man i fucks ur life an family to i know from personal experience n seeing others dont wanna preach or nuttin i still smoke buds but guys u can be strong fuck the hard shit u dont need it pot is good enuf for us all

 

i just came in my pants