Let me start off, I am a gay man who loves BDSM, pretty edgy actually. I have a friend, who now is my across the lot neighbor used to be roomy a total butch dyke lesbian who is into pretty similar stuff as me. We are both pretty crafty folks and have been chilling out working on our bondage gear together, swapping ideas for different rigs. We started doing research and development bondage sessions where we would put each other into our respective rigs and would attempt to time the possible escape time. After we got the perfect rig set up (all about the feet to neck spreader bar, wrists tied around back) we started whipping each other with our homemade or otherwise whips/floggers/electronic-stimulation gear (aka stun guns, battery packs and electric fly swatters) and have had a real good time, totally non sexual. good practice on certain things, gotta get it down before you try to pull it on some bitch. It is actually quite enjoyable, get tied up in a totally vulnerable fashion and get the shit whipped/flogged out of you, possibly electrocuted, maybe a forced beer bong. take a break, smoke a ciggy and do the exact same shit to my lesbo buddy. We have found it takes out all kinds of stress. I also feel a level of trust with my lesbo buddy that I do not get with a lot of others, she can tie me up and do all sorts of nasty painful things to me but yet not try to pull anything sexual, such as fisting or other anal/edge play, I know the safe word (safe word) is always respected. I love having an opposite queer platonic BDSM buddy, it is pretty sweet. Our friends have been getting on our cases cause we go all out and do not care about visible welts/bruises, and are completely dumbfounded by the idea of a gay and a lesbian getting into such an activity together. They have spoke out all kinds of stuff insinuating that we're actually closet heterosexuals, which I promise you is far from the case. Telling all this I am curious what you the queer folks of hipforums think of all this. Be honest speak your mind.