Go to hell Anonymous and Facebook warriors

No revolution can ever succeed as a factor of liberation unless the means used to further it be identical in spirit and tendency with the purposes to be achieved. Revolution is the negation of the existing, a violent protest against man's inhumanity to man with all the thousand and one slaveries it involves. It is the destroyer of dominant values upon which a complex system of injustice, oppression, and wrong has been built up by ignorance and brutality. It is the herald of new values, ushering in a transformation of the basic relations of man to man, and of man to society.

A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another. Revolutions and revolutionary wars are inevitable in class society, and without them it is impossible to accomplish any leap in social development and to overthrow the reactionary ruling classes and therefore impossible for the people to win political power.

Persist with your little cyber hero games and you doom us all to world of stagnant repression. You must be prepared to stand against man's inhumanity to man by any means necessary. The future is literally in your hands. You can make a fist and commit yourself to the cause new world change. Or, you can sit in the comfort of your home clicking away on plastic keys pretending that you're a magnificent hero in the imaginary terrain of the cyber world.

Neither Anonymous nor Facebook is contributing to the revolution. They are just protecting the status quo and making a buck from the illusion of change.

 

Personally, I'm an advocate of growth, as opposed to progress. You are suggesting that humanity will progress by using the same means as those who have deliberately retarded their progress--by beating down and subduing the opposition. But you must remember that however you acquire what you desire, it can be taken away by the same means you employed to acquire it. Like you can rule children with fear, making them behave as you choose. But when you remove the fear, they pick up where they left off--doing what they want.

So, really, what will this force accomplish? It's like if someone invents a gun that shoots bullets, then the opposition is going to seek to build a gun, too. Next, one side or the other will build a bullet-proof, armored shield. Then the other side seeks to build an armor-piercing bullet. The other side follows suit. And soon enough, the most brilliant minds in the world are wasted on the pursuit of being one up on the opposition. In time, the obsession, like a disease, progresses to the point where the reason for the hate and the fighting become lost. Then the reasons for fighting and conquering are fabricated so that the sense of accomplishment and progression can be experienced.

Now, at the bottom of it all is the desire to overcome those who have something we want. However, if the boundary lines around this world's countries are imaginary--and they are--and if the currencies that circulate between, within, and throughout those countries are imaginary--and they are--then we are murdering ourselves in our wars against each other. And we're fighting these wars based on the belief that what is on the inside of our line need not be shared unless we receive due compensation for it.

It is a shame that humanity has been so successfully divided and conquered that the deaths of a million fellow neighbors no longer strikes us as an unusual event. On the contrary, those deaths are presented by the perpetraters as necessary to our progress.

We all know a religious fanatic when we see one. But when our beliefs in imaginary lines and imaginary currents of wealth is so strong that those on the opposite side of our line no longer qualify as deserving the same consideration as those on our side of that line, what is that? Indeed, you have to have a lot of faith in those lines and those dollars in order to justify killing people in large numbers based on their proximity to our particular line. It's like, to hell with everybody else's lines; it's our line that matters!

After the holocaust, people adopted the phrase "never again." Anything can happen again if the circumstances are right . . . or wrong, as the case may be. How many holocausts are there going to be before the phrase "never again" actually applies? As it stands today, the phrase has been amended. It now reads "never again . . . until next time."

Forget about the Africans, the Indians, the Germans, the Poles, the Jews, etc. The phrase never again should apply to everyone. For Christ's sake, just never again for the sake of not doing it ever again! Please!!??

When finally we settle into the still waters of our not so distant future, we will be afforded--like it or not--the time to reflect upon what did motivate us, what motivates us presently, and whether or not the passage of time has created any appreciable difference between past and present motivations.

When we were young, we were motivated by candy. There was tongue candy, eye candy, ear candy, and thought candy. Has the candy changed? If so, how has the candy changed? Have you increased the quantity of the candy, or have you increased the quality of it?

Yeah, I know, a lot of talking, and no answers. It's more than I can wrap my mind around, really.

 

You're throwing around words and terms like growth versus progress. All you're doing is clouding the issue with rhetoric babel.


Progression is an upward movement from one state to that of a higher move evolved state. Therefore unless you're prepared to clearly define your definition of what you call growth.


It's safe to say that growth and progression are the same thing.

 

Well, all I can tell you is to go ahead and try to create a civilization with your fists and see how long it lasts. Eventually, your fists, and all of the fists behind you will fall to a greater number of fists.

Religion is a prime example of what happens when one group comes up with an idea to make the world a better place. What happens is that people within the group begin to disagree with one another concerning what is best for the whole. The result is what you see today. Catholics over there, Protestants over here, Presbyterians over there, Methodists over here, etc. etc. Hell, when you think about it, aren't we all just Methodists when it comes right down to it? If you wanted to create something for the purpose of separating people from each other, you couldn't come up with a better idea than religion. People often confuse religion with spirituality in much the same way that they confuse progress with growth. Growth occurs in the mind--the true beginning of meaningful change.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Man-Process-Psycho-Social-Development/dp/0385084242"]Amazon.com: Radical Man: The Process of Psycho-Social Development. (9780385084246): Charles Hampden-Turner: Books

 

A revolution must first start with ideas, which are discussed at the dinner party, spread through the writer's words, and depicted on the artist's canvas.

Besides, what are you doing? Posting on hipforums..

 

Spoken like a true Che fan :/
What's the point in preaceful revolution when you can do it violently, right?