Hey guys, anyone ever hear of the Free State Project in NH?

Hola friends. My name is Robin and I have been posting here on and off since I was about 18 years old or so. Definitely lived a full and crazy life since then with moving to a different country and the back to the states. What brought me back to the states from my kickass life in Germany traveling to Amsterdam every few weekends or so???? THE FREE STATE PROJECT! No I am not spamming, I know this sounds like an infomercial or something now hahahaha

What I am going to be doing very soon is buying an RV and travelling the country promoting the FSP to other liberty loving folks, possibly signing up new movers. We have a great support group here for activist who are looking to achieve liberty in their lifetime. We have Libertarians, Anarchists, Voluntaryists, Agorists etc... Most if not all FSP members beleive in the non aggression principal and we try to find ways for the community to solve problems on its own without involving the government. It is pretty amazing to see how this community has grown just over the past year.


I learned about the FSP while listening to a podcast, FreeTalkLive and then flew from Germany to attend PorcFest 2010, after that I was hooked and decided I HAD to move... so here I am... planning this liberty tour where my boyfriend and myself will hit the road with our cats and spread the word of liberty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would love to meet up with as many of you on the road as possible!!



"The Free State Project is an effort to recruit 20,000 liberty-loving individuals to move to New Hampshire. Once relocated to the "Live Free or Die" State, members are to exert their fullest practical energies toward the reduction in the size of government in New Hampshire.

The goal is to create a free society, a Galt's Gulch if you will, where no individual is forced to sacrifice his or her life for another at the point of a gun. Once complete, America and perhaps the whole world will have yet another example of the tremendous prosperity that always follows individual liberty."

 

here are some pics of PorcFest last summer!! It was a blast.

We had a rave, a pirate party AND my good friend Buzz throws Buzz's big gay dance party!!!!!!!!!! It just keeps getting bigger and bigger every year!!

Red pic is me gogo dancing during the rave, second pic is all the liberty lovin pirate ladies and third pic is me in my sailor outfit dancing with my lovely friend Maxine at Buzz's party!!

 

I think I want to move to NH eventually, but I'm only 18 and still unsure.

 

Never heard of it and am not interested.
Another hair-brained idea to fail!

 

How about 50 free sovereign nations bringing about the demise of the Federal government, and leaving the Federal reserve banking system responsible for repayment of the $16 trillion of debt?

 

Oh wow like that is so cool, I mean it’s like…well it is…right wing libertarianism dressed up in a frilly red and black basque.

I say don’t get fooled this is the same red in tooth and nail right wing libertarianism that will favour wealth to the detriment of everyone else.

The mission statement of the FSP makes it clear that its main goals are – to reduce taxation and regulation and expand the free market.

 

Well a project like that which chooses non-aggression won't last long. If your going to start a resistance, then make it a resistance. It is for the sake of the future. Something far greater than our own lives on a personal level. Pacifism will not bring any noticeable change. But besides the obvious, this sounds like a great idea! Something similar is going to come about in my area of North America. But for this, I won't be able to spread the word like you have. Things are going to get pretty intense, really fast. All over.

 

Go ahead and try to organize that... big things gotta start somewhere.

 

So you think that we are all right wing libertarians who want to take all of the wealth and fuck everyone else??? Pretty interesting how people judge and think they can sum this whole group of people up in one sentence like that. There are a lot of different types of people in the FSP doing lots of different things... People that cover a wide political spectrum. I myself am an anarchist, not a right wing libertarian. There are people in the FSP doing civil disobedience and people who want to change things from inside the system. The FSP has been a great thing when it comes to the efforts to legalize medical marijuana in NH.

A note on your "favour wealth to the detriment of everyone else" statement. Maybe you should look into fr33 aid and Shire Sharing. Mutual aid is a major part of both groups! They are giving to the community!

 

PorcFest is the best time of the year to check out NH that is for sure!!

 

Funky


None of what you say precludes you or this movement being right wing libertarian in nature. In fact it seems to confirm it. I mean the organisations you mention seem to be right wing libertarian in outlook (the Shire Sharing site even had a large picture of Ron Paul on the home page).

You claim to be an anarchist yet the question is what kind of ‘anarchist’ are you because there are right wing libertarian type anarchists (anarcho-capitalists try reading -http://www.spunk.org/texts/otherpol/critique/sp000051.txt

As to the legalisation of drugs that doesn’t mean this is not right wing libertarianism it’s well known that many right wing libertarians want to legalise drugs it's how they approach the problem of drugs that is important.
Try reading – Rightwing Libertarians and Drugs
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=368871

 

I do not vote, however Ron Paul is one of the most "anti-state" politicians in how many years???? He wants less government intrusion in peoples lives, he supports abolishing the IRS and getting rid of the income tax.

Clearly he mush be an evil man that no one should support. /endsarcasm

He is in my opinion the gateway drug to anarchy, has been for a lot of my friends and acquaintances. Thanks for the link btw, because I totally needed to be schooled on Anarcho Capitalism. As far as Ron Paul's face being on the Shire Sharing website, I am not sure what point you are trying to make there. Shire Sharing is an excellent example of mutual aid regardless if someone decided to put Ron Paul's face on the page or not.

The second link you posted to the thread... really had no information that would convince me of anything. It was basically you arguing with everyone about what Right Wing and Left Wing libertarians are and what they think about the drug war and you telling people you will stop calling them right wing when they stop acting insane. What is it about a free market economy that turns you off? Because from what little I actually gathered from that thread, you seem to have a problem with it. Do you enjoy being regulated by a government that does not have your best interest in mind??


http://agorism.info/
Maybe google Voluntaryism too...



AGORA ANARCHY ACTION!!
peace

 

Funky

Your reply just highlights that you are very much a right wing libertarian with rather extreme right wing libertarian views.

That you support the same neoliberal/free market con game that has seen the power and influence of wealth increase to the detriment of everyone else and would push those same neoliberal/free market ideas even further to increase the power and influence of wealth even further.

1) low or limited taxation favouring wealth.
2) deregulation and un-regulated systems favouring exploitation.
3) Little or no welfare favouring exploitation.
4) Free market/laissez faire based economics favouring exploitation.
5) Social Darwinist based education, healthcare etc, favouring wealth.


You can dress these bad ideas up in a red frilly tutu or try and hide the slavering jaws of exploitation behind placards proclaiming ‘liberty’ but that still doesn’t make them any more palatable, or desirable.

 

I am quite sure after reading this that you have very little to add to a conversation, every post from you in the threads I have seen is the same shit. Do you ever have your own opinions or do you just cut and paste these all over the internet?? I am beginning to feel you just have wealth envy and a very closed mind.


If anything free markets are a classical liberal conception as opposed to actual neo-liberalism aka Progressivism. Opting for voluntary associations as opposed to coercive measures hardly make one a pawn of rich fat cats.

I think Ron Paul's campaign is a good example of how this is refuted. If capitalism merely benefits the rich fat cats/1%ers then how is it that Ron Paul's campaign isn't being funded by all of the mega-corporations and banksters like Mitt Romney's and Obama's campaigns?



Why do you think that all of my ideas and beliefs favor wealth. How could you even think I favor "social darwinist" education that would favor wealth. I homeschooled/unschooled three children and I am by far NOT WEALTHY. Guess what, my 6th grader is reading and doing math at a 9th grade level... (oh but she could only possibly be smart if I were a wealthy person homeschooling her, according to you). I support voluntary interaction, I do not think the government should tell me what school my kids should go to, or if they should have to go at all. They also should not be "stealing" my hard earned money for programs I do not wish to be a part of. I also do not think I should be owed any medical assistance from money that was taken from other people. Where I sit right now, I can not afford health insurance, and I would rather pay cash out of pocket than accept insurance and/or healthcare that was subsidized by the state, I did not work for that money, it was taken from someone else and it is not mine to spend.

You never seem to address the point that there are and would be more mutual aid organizations working with less fortunate people, the people you claim are not favored by anything I am arguing for. Voluntary society man, where people act on a voluntary basis, no one does anything they do not want to do, mutually beneficial. Just think, if there was no income tax, EVERYONE would get to keep their full income, making it easier for them to get the things they need in life to survive, but it seems to me you wanna play Robin Hood and overtax the rich to give to the poor, I am sorry my friend but I do not think it is ok to take money from the people who worked hard (or not so hard) to earn it, that is like forcing people to give to charities they do not wish to support.

It is immoral for me to accept money from the state, because I know it was ripped out of the hands of someone else who worked for it.

 

on another note the US Government spends way too much on war, if we took some of THAT money and put it back into our own fucking country instead of using it to bomb everyone else. We would be better off. And I already saw your arguments about cutting military budgets and how it would put soldiers out of work... If we cut budgets and put them out of work, there would be more money to invest in non military jobs for them, JOBS where they could actually spend time with their families instead of being gone for most of their children's lives fighting for unjust causes.

 

Funky

I think you seem unclear on neo-liberalism, try reading – A brief history of Neoliberalism by David Harvey. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brief-History-Neoliberalism-David-Harvey/dp/0199283273"]A Brief History of Neoliberalism: Amazon.co.uk: David Harvey: Books

LOL – love the loaded wording pitting fluffy ‘voluntary’ against nasty ‘coercion’.

What it means is that right wing libertarians would like to replace public provision of assistance based on community taxation with a system where individuals decide if they give or not.

It is a return of the old self serving con game of the deserving and undeserving poor. The deserving being those that don’t ask for help and so don’t need any. And the undeserving being those who do ask for help thereby showing that they are scroungers and wasters who don’t deserve any help.

So it was plain - the argument went – that there was no need to give assistance to the disadvantaged.

The problem was that these people were often the same people but just at different stages of life or circumstance.

And as I pointed out at the time this is very similar to the right wing argument often put forward today that if people are responsible and make “better decisions” they don’t need assistance but if they’re irresponsible and make “poor decisions” they don’t deserve assistance.

 

Funky

LOL – the problem is that many people don’t have the time, wide knowledge, aptitude or financial resources to home school.

You feel you have the time to teach three children of presumably differing ages and the resources to do so as well as feeling you have the wide knowledge and aptitude for it and that greats.

But what about those that are not as rich in time and knowledge as you? What happens to the children of those people that cannot afford not to take the time of from working, or don’t have the great and wide knowledge and education you have, or cannot afford the educational tools that you can?

 

Funky

I’ve already covered that – the problem is that right wing libertarian/neo-liberal ideas don’t seem to encourage investment in employment (or not American employment). The neo-liberal ideas of the last thirty odd years have seen US manufacturing decline while outsourcing and speculative financial bubbles have grown.

 

Funky

Ok as far as I can tell from what you have mentioned so far –

You had the resources to live a ‘kickass life’ in Europe and were able to travelled around it as well as being able to fly around the world.

You had the resources to buy an RV and the resources to run it.

You have the resources to travel around the US, implying you don’t have a fixed job. Although you resent your ‘hard earned money’ being stolen (what money is that?).

You have the resources to raise three children (and some cats).

You also have the resources and enough free time to home-school three children.

You have no medical insurance but are not worried about that because you feel you could pay out of your own pocket for any medical eventuality that might happen to you or your children.

And at 29 years old you don’t seem to be worried about the future as in saving for your old age.

Now while it might be true that you are ‘not wealthy’ all this does seem to imply you are not without resources.

 

I work full time and STILL make time to homeschool/unschool, and I also realize that I can stuff as much education into my brain as I want as long as I pay my $20 a month for the internet at my house. Guess what, most kids who are homeschooled/unschooled are smarter than their parents. Children who have a desire to learn are held back by state run schools... I was bored in public school and got in trouble because they could not teach me fast enough and did not teach me what I wanted to learn. Children have this ability to TEACH THEMSELVES, if you can wrap your head around that idea.