I tried it last night.

Discussion in 'Salvia Divinorum' started by MellowViper, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. MellowViper

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    I took one huge bong rip of it. and i thought it was very fascinating. It wasn't fun, but it really changed my perspective on things. It was unsettling, though still valuable if that makes sense. It helped me look at life from a different point of view.

    I got these two dimmensional closed eyed visuals of spinning gears, wheels, and fractals, and I felt as if my whole life was being directed by a conveyor belt. I almost felt like I was a wackamole or something and that death would be a return to the hole.

    Its easy to think in terms of determinism when you're sober, but when you think of what the philosophical implications of it are when you're tripping, its actually really disturbing. I almost felt like one of those faceless kids on the Wall video being fed into the meat grinder.

    On my way home, after I came down, I listened to a demo I got from a band the same day, and the track "Time" came on.

    http://www.myspace.com/music/player?sid=81244574&ac=now

    It synchronistically summed up the message I took away from the Salvia experience.

    I almost feel like when you take the path of least resistence and wait for something to come your way, you're just allowing yourself to become pulled into someone or something else's reality. Then you get assimilated and transformed into a deterministic gear for their machine or program. If you practice and assert your own will, you can direct your own destiny to a certain degree and live a life worth living.
     
  2. Aerianne

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    True.
     
  3. MellowViper

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXqHJYz8NXo&lc=fqwT583zM5bPkaZTVP5YkFHHweAmkizvoZwiaDK9UYQ&feature=inbox"]Philip K. Dick interview - YouTube
     
  4. guerillabedlam

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    Sounds like you had a powerful trip, that Wall analogy resonated with me in regards to some of my Salvia Divinorum experiences.

    I appreciate Salvia and I go to it to keep me in check at times when I feel I'm losing sight or hitting a lull with other psychedelics. It's sort of a psychedelic curve ball.
     
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    Life is will vs will, with the best competitor winning. Maybe all capitalists became capitalists after a salvia trip.
     
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    I'll be trying it soon. Sounds like an interesting experience.
     
  7. aesthetic

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    :) keep doing it and you will realize its not so unsettling. It was probably jsut the atmosphere you were in. But thats sick that you had a enlightening experience.
     
  8. MellowViper

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    I'd like to hope for a mutual harmonization of wills at some point though. We can't keep trying to subdue each other forever and ever and expect evolution that's condusive to self discovery. If our ancestors did that, we'd still be a mass of cyano-bacteria swimming around in pond scum, devouring itself. I think we can be individuals with respect for others to be individuals as well. Really our cells in our own bodies are a perfect example of what true anarchism can be. All the organelles fulfill their individual needs and wants with respect and awareness for the whole. They manage to do this with a very decentralized form of self governance.

    Each cell has its own internal network, the nucleus, and communicates to neighboring cells through epigenetics and morphogenetic fields. In a lot of ways, its not unlike the internet. They don't rely on a central corporation, central government, or overly centralized institution to take orders and to meet the interests of the cosmos of the body. Each part focuses mainly on localized needs and duties, does it to the best of its ability, and this, I believe, is the true foundation of a functioning body. Human kind has a tendency to see things backwards. Our current culture focuses way too much on the overall global body but not our own lives. Were conditioned, by cable news, to put too much emphasis on the geo-political scale of things, and not enough on the local scale.

    If by good capitalist, you mean an enlightened form of it, then I agree. If its this sort of self destructive manifestation of capitalism that uses capital to buy off governments, centralize power, and control people more afffectively, then I disagree, because nobody's going to win in the end with that, even those that think they're gettting ahead. I do think that the free market, if applied with a social conscience based on virtue and love, and not just pure, egoistic interest, could be a wonderful catalyst for human inginuity and imagination.
     
  9. RooRshack

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    It's been making evolution work since forever, why should it stop now?
     
  10. MellowViper

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    Well, I think at this point, if chaos gets the upper hand over logos, we could nuke ourselves out of existence and stunt billions of years of evolution in the process. Enlightened indiidualism and mutualism needs to come into play for the human species to continue on. I mean, if we really want the world to end, it will happen. If we want to come to a greater understanding of what we are as cosmic entities, then there has to be a concerted effort to make it happen. I think the prevailing tendency, spirit, or cultural modality has us on a conveyor belt to our own extinction, under the existing order. If we want to change our course, I feel like now is the time, more than ever to stand up, assert our will as a species and as individials, and change the course. We can't expect a political party or a corporation to come along and fix everything for us. We have to get up and do something ourselves and engage with our communities for what I believe is the better outcome, planetary and spiritual growth as opposed to decay, to be realized. If we just sit by idly. I genuinely believe we'll just end up in the meat grinder.
     
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