First time HBWS experience with report

2/11/12 - Saturday - Northern Ohio - Snowy Day

What we used

1. 4 seeds - (Indian variety of Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds)
2. small glass, lightproof bottle (I used a 2 oz glass bottle with a screw on cap and wrapped it up to the neck with aluminum foil)
3. lime juice
4. essential peppermint oil
5. distilled water (in case you want to rinse the little bottle and dump it in the OJ to make sure you got all seed material)

How we prepared the seeds

1. grind seeds in coffee grinder as powdery as possibly (easier with more seeds)
2. mix with 3 tablespoons of lime juice and 2-3 drops of essential peppermint oil in lightproof bottle, shake vigorously every 5-10 minutes for 40 minutes - all the while keeping the bottle in the fridge. (You can take it out to shake it, lol.)
3. Dump into 4-6oz glass of OJ, stir quick, and drink down - seed mush and all!

Who we are

• 2 subjects, myself, 42 yo male and my woman, 52 yo - same dose for both people
• male's psychedelic experience: LOTS of LSD and mushrooms in the late 80's and early 90's - mushrooms occasionally over the years, recently tried some 5-meo-DALT (weak tryptamine)
• female's previous psychedelic experience: took LSD once in the mid 70's, has tried some less heavy amounts of shrooms and 5-meo-DALT
• male's dose was steeped for 40 minutes - female's dose was steeped in fridge for 25 minutes
• Male ate very little today. A couple cups of coffee and a small bowl of Thai noodles with lemongrass/chili broth.

The Timeline

• 10:30 am ate one 100mg niacin(B3) and one ginko biloba extract capsule (natural vasodialators) - hoping to get a jump on this vasoconstriction I've head about.
• 2:00 pm woman takes one 100 mg niacin
• 3:45 pm T minus ZERO - drank it all down and ate the small amount of seed matter left in the bottom with a spoon
• somewhere around this time, the woman ate a bowl of marinara pasta and a small slice of garlic bread
• 3:53 pm 2 nice bong hits (all bong hits are 100% weed)
• 4:03 pm I don't know if I'm excited or what but I think I may already feel something - may be the weed
• 4:19 pm feelin' pretty smiley - bong hit
• 4:37 pm whipped up some spicy low-sodium mustard just to prove I could do it
• 4:48 pm feelin pretty fuckin' groovy but I wouldn't say "tripping" quite yet
• who's your friend? turmeric is your friend.
• 4:58 pm the familiar "acid sigh"
• 5:02 pm kinda weird, like a trip coming on but I feel like I could take a nap.
• 5:19 pm a few small slices of smoked gouda... mmm - woman sees me all smiley and wants to try it with me now - whips up some seed-concoction for the woman
• 5:25 pm 4 bong hits
• 5:43 pm give the woman her dose
• 5:45 pm woman does 2 bong hits
• 6:00 pm real good precursor trip buzz rolling - almost shroomy - very edge or tripping - going to smoke another 4 bong hits with the woman
• 6:15 pm ate 3 slices of shit on a shingle, the woman had 1
• 6:04 pm woman just feels weedy
• 6:58 pm woman feels mostly weedy but a little something
• 8:00 - 8:30 pm woman gets stomach cramps
• 10:00 pm lay down, watch some Monte Python, woman still has stomach cramps - we both smoke a bunch of weed
• 11:00 pm asleep

Notes

• male experienced no nausea or apparent crazy over vasoconstriction - a very slight tinge of that "strychnyney" feeling (for lack of a better way to describe it - but negligible
• woman wakes up next day with tender stomach but not horrible
• thinking 4 seeds for really pleasant (sub-trip) experience, 6 seeds for mild trip - 8 seeds for good trip - 10 seeds for way good trip
• almost all music during the experience was the Grateful Dead or Pink Floyd
• Interested in hearing more about this peppermint oil/LSH connection I've read about in a few places

Personal thoughts

WOW! This is the first time I've tried HBWS, even though I had heard about them in the 80's, and what a delight! I'll be doing this A LOT. While 4 seeds didn't really make for a "trip", I didn't really set out to go too far. I wanted to get an overall general impression of this seed's powers and now I have it.

Aside from the woman's stomach cramps, we felt no ill-effects. Trying to figure out whether having food on her stomach when dosing was the cause of the cramps, maybe the seed material, maybe the active ingredients, having some vasoconstriction properties, just fuck up some stomachs no matter how the seeds are prepared.

At some point I'm going to try an extraction and NOT eat the seed mush. I'd like to see what kind of potency is lost, if any.

Next week trying 6 seeds a piece, and the woman will start with an empty/nearly empty stomach.

My description: very LSD-like as it comes on, less intense, but very similar.Will need to up the dose to really know more.

Questions

1. Everything I've read about HBRS, suggests that some folks have stomach problems NO MATTER WHAT preparation method is used. Is there any real verifiable way to avoid stomach issues?
2. What's the re-dosing wait on this stuff? How long till my tolerance drops back to near where it was before this first time? Will a week do?
3. Does anyone know anything about the addition of the peppermint/conversion to LSH thing I've read bits about?

 

I have never heard of HBWS before. I've never tripped on anything before, and without researching it, I'm guessing it's legal? Google time! I've been talking to a friend who's tripped on just about everything - shrooms, acid and more - and the more I talk to her the more I want something other than a high!

Thanks for starting this thread and sharing!

 

Good report. Please do report back after 6 seeds, will be interesting to hear about the effects. I have tried LSA before eating morning glory seeds, and had really acid-like experience with visuals. I'd like to try HBWR too.

 

Since no one answered, I don't have any experience but as for #1 there's anecdotal stories about scraping off the outer fuzz on the seeds first, supposed to help with nausea.
I'd also suspect that tolerance is similar to LSD, but again, no experience.

I've not had much interest because I can't imagine LSA being as good as LSD.

 

@Voyage - having done quite a bit of LSD, I can say that LSA isn't the same. BUT, there are A LOT of VERY COOL similarities.

 

The seeds are legal - but extracting the alkaloids is not because extraction produces a product that is scheduled by the DEA (d-lysergic acid amide AKA LSA)

Tripping - in my humble experience is different from an evening with beer, or weed or whatnot. For me, it's an experience to be enjoyed in nature or in a very mellow and relaxed setting with the aim of expanding one's mind or consciousness.

If it's your first time I reccommend doing it with someone close to you who has done it before. Start light and plan on avoiding any setting that's unnatural and or not mellow - paying CLOSE attention to avoiding negative or ego-overdriven people.

I've partaken of LSD and shrooms many times over the last 25 years but this was the first time for Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds. It was very cool to do with my sweetie, we felt ultra-super-duper connected and groovy.

We'll be trying a higher dose tomorrow and be fasting until then, only eating/drinking very body-friendly stuff, keeping well hydrated, etc until we depart on the trip tomorrow about noon. I'll post about that experience afterwards.

 

Is it the the seed that causes stomach discomfort or the Lsa??