Safest psychedelic

Discussion in 'Psychedelics' started by InfiniteOscillations, Feb 5, 2012.

  1. InfiniteOscillations

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    What is your safest psychedelic. From thousands of years of use to being able to KNOW what you have. To harmful effects different things like this. What is the safest you know of. Thanks.
     
  2. guerillabedlam

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    Probably San Pedro cacti, really any of the mescaline cacti but SP is what I have experience with. It has the long history of human use, its active alkaloids are internal and usually brewed so it doesn't carry significant risks of problems with like molds and stuff that may present a potential problem for mushrooms. Its unrealistic that one will overdose on it and it tends to leave a fairly clear headspace. The only minimal risk I've heard is that occassionally people get cacti that aren't really San Pedro, still I've never heard anyone encountering problems from those incidents except for the quite unfortunate scenario of no psychedelic effects after consuming a most likely foul tasting cacti tea.

    Weed would be my other answer if that is considered a psychedelic
     
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  4. Delta 9 The Psychonaut

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    Psilocybin mushrooms technically because of the low active dose and practically non-existent addiction factor.
     
  5. Delta 9 The Psychonaut

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    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Drug_danger_and_dependence-no_title.svg
     
  6. Black_Lotus

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    I'd say weed if it counts, the worst that ever happened to me was throwing up, and that's by no means dangerous..
    Otherwise, I think DMT might be, you just sit back for about 15 minutes and are completely back in less than an hour, but I suppose you may have scary visions.. But I don't think I've ever heard about a person getting hurt on DMT-though it is rare to even get the drug
     
  7. Mr.Writer

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    I'd say LSD too.
     
  8. spexxx

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    THC feels pretty safe brah idk if you count that in your book though.
     
  9. Turban Juice

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    Never had a bad reaction on lsd or thc ever. I have not done magic mushrooms enough to judge same thing with san. padro or dmt


    ~Golf Wongs
     
  10. Tarra

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    Despite the mild nausea it can induce, I'd agree with mescaline containing Cactii...Peruvianus being the one I have most experience with.
    Any psychedelic with a long history of use by indigenous people I'd consider fairly safe...
     
  11. Raga_Mala

    Raga_Mala Psychedelic Monk

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    You are asking too many different questions at once. They all have different answers.

    If long human use is your metric for safety, then shrooms or peyote are very very ancient. Shrooms and cacti are also very hard to have something else passed off as them (although I suppose someone could lace non-psychedelic shrooms with a random chemical...never heard of that being done though).

    If "harmful effects" is your metric, there are many different versions of this problem. TRUE toxicity, that is poisonous effects, probably the safest psychedelic is LSD: the ratio of the active dose to the lethal dose is vanishingly small. On the other hand, if the question is about harmful psychological effects, then weed is undoubtedly the safest (although being sober is probably even safer in this regard).

    All psychedelics carry SOME chance of unpleasant body effects, not because of toxicity but merely due to their action on the stomach lining or the nervous system. In this regard, again, LSD is probably the least harmful psychedelic: does not usually induce nausea, or significant muscle cramping or unpleasant body high (although it does happen for some users). All smokeable drugs, including weed, carry some risk of long-term lung damage if used habitually.
     
  12. guerillabedlam

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    There are many studies like this where you have to account for many variables to come to a conclusive answer. While you have a point somewhat on how there could be various answers for each criteria, I didn't find any point where LSD would go ahead of San Pedro in terms of safety. There have been some fatal overdoses linked with LSD and even one directly attributed to it, I've never read about an overdose on San Pedro. The psychoactive dose to overdose ratio is probably greater with LSD compared to any other psychedelic except for Salvia Divinorum maybe but the actual amount to overdose on is far less with LSD. Not to mention some of those possible LSD adulterants can be nasty like with the Dox causing vasoconstriction so bad that limbs need to be amputated and as recent as last week there was an incident of someone overdosing on 'bad acid' at a festival.
     
  13. Legocy

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    For me if I had to choose what to take, on purely what I considered the safest would be shrooms with weed.

    I consider LSD pretty safe, but if you dont frequent a dealer, i can see how it can be hesitant at best.
     
  14. Voyage

    Voyage Noam Sayin

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    Refs? Never heard of those...
     
  15. aesthetic

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    Mushrooms. Most psylocybes are non-lethal.
     
  16. guerillabedlam

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    THere's a whole section on erowid, some of the details are not crystal clear on some of the incidents and I know any acid head like yourself probably would be skeptical LSD had any role at all unless you were actually performing the autoposy yourself and erowid even has little notes to appease skeptics but my point is there are none of these types of cases revolving around San Pedro.

    And here is that recent 'bad acid' overdose, and this probably was not LSD but still does knock off LSD big time for the 'Know what you have' variable for me.

    http://www.theage.com.au/entertainment/music/everything-is-very-odd-here-daniel-dials-mum-as-music-festival-turns-to-tragedy-20120130-1qpo4.html
     
  17. apothecaryvybez

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    PCP looks pretty safe if you want to get buttnaked and surrounded by police every time
    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjSjgsonUvE
     
  18. apothecaryvybez

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    [ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJGB_ABAOBM&feature=endscreen&NR=1
     
  19. Voyage

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    This one? http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_death.shtml

    Ya, not very concrete but I would think if there was a legit lsd death between the 40s and now, we'd know about it.

    My understanding too, have always wondered why there's no anecdotal stories with mescaline, at least that I've run across.

    Ya, saw that one and I'd think any educated person would know it wasn't LSD. He took "something" that he either thought, or was told, was L.
    Thing is with all these stories, there are rarely any contributing factors reported even though we know most of the time there are some.

    Here's a good abstract for ya.

    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1011615-overview#a0199

    At the end of the day, I agree. San Pedro, shrooms, the traditionals and LSD are all in the category of safe. It's those pesky details that getcha.
     
  20. guerillabedlam

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    So you couldn't come up with a concrete answer? LSD is still on that scale of safety even though it's a popular club drug, that's common to use it with other drugs, and that LSD ED hospital visits have doubled since 2005?
     
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