More n00b questions

Discussion in 'MDMA - X' started by GK420, Jan 31, 2012.

  1. GK420

    GK420 Member

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    So my friend told me a while back he could get us some crystal MDMA, which got me researching it. The idea kinda died off though so I forgot about it, but he called me yesterday to tell me he can get it whenever we want it. I'm not completely retarded when it comes to MDMA, but I just wanna set my mind at rest before trying it (if I do). Anyways, here we go:

    1. I've seen a lot of pills with methamphetamine in them on ecstasydata.org and I was just wondering if this is something to do with excess methamphetamine not being cleared out of it after synthesis? I got a shitty grade for chemistry GCSE so go easy on me if what I just said makes no sense lol.

    2. I know that pills can be cut with anything from cocaine to viagra, but thankfully my friend's "friend" sells it in crystal form. When I say thankfully that is assuming MDMA in crystal form is slightly less of a worry than pill form. What I'm asking is: is it at all easier to identify real MDMA if it is in crystal form than it is in pill form? I understand that just looking at the stuff doesn't tell a lot of secrets, but in terms of texture and maybe crystal appearance, is it any easier to verify? If I could get a testing kit I definitely would, but unfortunately I can't. This is one of the main reasons I'm quite hesitant about doing it.

    3. I've heard everyone say it tastes extremely bitter and nasty, but is there anything you can actually compare the taste to at all? A cleaning product could taste bitter, but that doesn't mean it contains MDMA.

    4. From what I've heard, only a very small number of people actually have a bad reaction to the MDMA itself which due to the fact that they don't have a certain enzyme. In which case, how should dosing go? I've heard most people take plan 5-10mg just to see if their body can handle the stuff at first, then dose with something like 100mg an hour later. Yay or nay? I do look into this stuff for myself, but people generally do it differently because of purity. Say I get it as pure as possible; what dose should I start with? What if it's pretty average?

    5. I know this probably won't do a lot, but it's worth asking. Any Londoners (more specifically West Londoners) find a trend in purity or adulterants? Obviously this is a generalisation. What are the prices like in your area?

    I know what it's like to see people posting the same questions on forums all the time, but I just like to be clear about things that could potentially kill me, y'know? :D Thanks.
     
  2. Mr.Writer

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    I don't think it's an impurity from synthesis, I don't believe methamphetamine is actually produced at any point (could be wrong though). It is added purposefully as an adulterant because meth is cheaper and easier to make than MDMA and it makes the experience more energetic. Real MDMA can be extremely relaxing.

    Unfortunately a pill is just powder that's been pressed into a pill and powder is just powder that hasn't been pressed into a pill, or was a pill and was ground up. So it won't make it more likely you're getting real stuff, in fact it will open the possibility more that it won't be MDMA at all and will be something like Methylone. Now in my experience powder IS better than pills, I just won't lean on my experience too hard in these times. I can tell you lots of different ways I've seen MDMA look throughout the years but it won't mean that even if you have something that looks the same it's not some research chemical or meth. A testing kit is the only way to know.

    I would compare it to Codeine/Tylenol.

    An allergy test is always smart and then the typical dose is 100-250mg.
     
  3. GK420

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    Thanks for your answers. Another couple of questions I forgot to mention though:

    Is a heart attack something to be particularly worried about or not (assuming it's pure)? This is one thing I always fear at the thought of trying drugs like this.

    Any common adulterants I should be on the lookout for? It sounds like methylone is one.
     
  4. guerillabedlam

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    Unless you have a pre-existing heart condition, a heart attack is not something to worry about. Panic attacks and Bad trips are not unheard of with MDMA but they are rare. As far as adulterants with crystal MDMA go, I scanned the pages of ecstasydata.org and looked at some of the caps, some of the ones I saw:


    Methamphetamine: Well it's meth, it's going to make the experience last longer and some of the physical effects are going to be more pronounced like Jaw grinding and heart rate. Comedown can be pretty brutal from 'meth bombs.' :(

    Lidocaine: It's like an anesthetic, it probably won't provide much of a psychoactive effect but maybe a slight numbing sensation and most likely used to increase the weight of the pill.

    Bzp/Tmfpp: These are known as Piperazines. Together they usually create sort of an MDMA effect but bzp lasts longer and it usually comes with some pretty poor side effects, muscle tension, nausea, insomnia, difficultly eating all throughout the next day.

    Methylone/mephdrone: has a similar but shorter rolling effect than MDMA but than they sort of have a cocaine/amphetamine type kick at the end which makes them more prone to redosing.

    5-meo-dipt: is known as Foxy. It's not really as bad as some of these other adulterants but it may make you nauseous and it may cause more hallucinogenic effects.




    Here are some common adulterants that I believe are indistinguishable from MDMA on a standard pill testing kit:

    MDA/5 apb/6apb: have a longer duration than MDMA (6-10 hrs) and they are more potent by dosage ( 80-200 mgs) and effects (slightly hallucinogenic), from some of the recent reports I've read on here, it seems like the apbs are becoming more common adulterants.

    MBDB/MDE: These are similar to MDMA in duration and effects, usually considered to lack some of the 'magic' that MDMA has but the precursors are easier to obtain to my understanding and I think MBDB is straight up legal in many places so it's possible to encounter these.
     
  5. GK420

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    This is good info, cheers. :) My only worry now is actually getting "MDMA" that actually has (a noticeable amount of) MDMA in it. I saw the recent post in this section about someone being sold Methylone which fucked up their head, and that's the kind of thing that worries me. Hopefully I will actually be able to get a testing kit soon though.
     
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