Another thought regarding OWS and Anonymous

Well there's that desu desu girl...:2thumbsup:

 

I lol'd.

 

OWS and Anonymous are bullshit, but you guys won't listen to me.

 

Certainly bears consideration, but my purpose in taking a focus on Anonymous isn't merely the simple discussion of the merits or drawbacks of some renegade faction of a subculture portion of society existing and acting as such, but more wondering if perhaps their apperance, the essential structure of how they operate would not in fact be the perfect model with which for We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitutional Model for the United States of America.

 

Maybe,,,

 

I think its a great idea, or maybe have a sub forum within the OWS forum.:2thumbsup:

 

You know, in an ideal world we would all have free Netflix accounts and no one would ever incorrectly use the word "your" for "you're" in forum posts. But that ain't the case.

So, if there was a section for Anonymous who would moderate it? How could anyone moderate it? Moderation would be non sequitur in such a forum section.

As you can see we're leaving the realm of perfect anarchy now and entering the black hole of chaos.

 

The collective will of a society, the very thing I'm suggesting, is the exact opposite of the chaos you imply,,,

next?

 

That would be the opposite of being anonymous...

 

Your idealistic plan as presented here is open to manipulation by a minority.

FAIL. You, sir, get nothing.

 

Sarah, thats right in a sense, it would be the collective american public so in that sense then no, we would know who we were right? But as far as individual names, only the truly curious would ever know who cast what vote for which part of legislation brought to the Public attention.

I guess you glazed over post #4 in an effort to spew that out then eh? And of course the fact that it's been long known that our current system is already so afflicted and the very nature of the system as it has been established is part of the very thing which protects it from justice and as such it means that we may as well just lay back and accept the current fucking we're receiving without trying an alternative approach?

 

I vote yes. The Anonymous "idea" needs to be explored and discussed, just as the notion of a decentralized/leaderless movement needs to be explored and discussed. This is a new approach to socio/political dissent and it has real teeth.

 

yep..

its still here...just hidden from view

 

Oh I'll listen to any rational position on a topic and even some irrational ones if presented with enough flair, I just haven't heard your stance on this really. I'll browse post history for your view on it unless you wouldn't mind reposting your reasoning behind that opinion? At least as far as Anonymous is concerned I sort of see that as saying something akin to the general publics opinions are bullshit as thats what Anonymous seems to be more or less, CIA Psy-op elements interjecting nonsense to the fray aside...

Then again I suppose I wasn't exactly initially clear in my motives for bringing up the topic in the first place, using the functioning structure of how they operate as the means to bring a true and lasting democracy, a perfect answer (or as near to perfect as there seems a.t.m. at least) for a means to create just what the original Preamble suggested the intent of our founding forefathers to be,,,

 

100% aside from it not being so much to be thought of as any form of dissent but rather a means toward a Governmental system not only By the people and for the people but truly of the People and indisputably one which is led by the will of the public.

Wether this system rise or fall would be based on the wisdom of the masses which would likely grow at an exponential rate once people understood how their decisions impacted the world around them. To keep voting the same tool in a different package into office every 4 years to compete with the same 3 ring circus on "Capital" Hll" has clearly not worked out very well for us at this point or for the last 60 or so years for that matter (Any Centenarians care to appear and stretch that 60 years into 100 or more are welcome to raise their hands.)

But no mighty uprising or any such other bloody mess is required at least according to OWS and other pacifist groups seeking positive change, simply the collective understanding of the voting population to VOTE OUT the current establishment by reason of NO CONFIDENCE nicely, not a shot fired, give them the opportunity to stand by the constitution for once in their careers and step down honorably when they loose the election to the collective will of we the people,,,

It must be something in the water around here eh'? :cheers2:

 

I had a glazed doughnut with coffee earlier while reading your post #4.

Your ideal goal is a good one, and your heart seems to be in the right place. But the actual implementation of ideas is where they often run into problems. And, based on your explanation in post #4, I say that your plan is doomed to fail. It is not practical at all. A vanguard organization endorsed by the vast majority of society must lead the revolution.

 

Krispy Kreme I hope?

At least there are some points we agree on, and granted perhaps Guy Fawkes may not be the best face of the party,,, but as a system in form and relative function in and of itself, by whatever means are needed to initiate it's implementation we can at least agree that the motives and perhaps in essence most of the functioning structure are at least on target,,, Good,,,

Next?

I love productive mornings. :cheers2:

 

How do "VOTE OUT the current establishment by reason of NO CONFIDENCE" when the very people placed before you as a "choice" are products of - and pay strict allegiance to - the very establishment and systems that would put them in power (and under their power) to begin with? There needs to be direct action by the subjugated against the systems that truly subjugate. Vote? Yes. Stop participating and being consumers of the systems of oppression? Empathically, Yes. And when that corrupt governing body forces complete participation, and it will. Bloody revolution is inevitable and justifiable. Freedom cannot exist in any form when there is privatization of the people's government. I will sell my labor to a corporation, but I will not be governed by one.

 

I think we all know the schedule friend.

http://www.adishakti.org/mayan_end_times_prophecy_12-21-2012.htm

Let's pray to whoever each individual feels the hell they need to they're right about the potential for this transition to be a peaceful one and that the world realizes the ones who need to see and understand this the most of all ARE the "Current Rulers" of this world and not us Pesants...

But Building a better future isn't about worrying over accountability for the past wrongdoings nearly as much as it is about learning to forgive those willing to repent their crimes against humanity, they do after all own everything, we should probably try to some extent to be friendly about this whole idea, bring it forth as a rational idea for Evolution of a Nation, not the Revolution within one.

Rock this vote,,, the rest,,, eh',,, we'll see how this one goes I guess.

:cheers2:

 

Another option, perhaps more symbolic of the nature of the movement,,,

Myanon,,, dont even need to keep the name. lol