Lucy Finally Found Me. Now I need some advice??

It can vary between individuals, I definitely had a good trip my first time with LSD. Did you talk to this other person who tripped on the same blotter or was it sort of through the grapevine that you heard that?

A 5 hour interval between eating and dosing your acid is plenty of time for food to digest, just sounds like you had a low dose.

 

No, not really.

Visuals aren't a good way to judge tripping, imo. Talking to parents is tho and so, doubtful you were anything like tripping.

Kinda vague.

Certainly didn't help but it's doubtful thats the cause. Tho I would reconsider your choice of food, particularly before psychedelics. Just sayin...

I think you're getting some bad info. It is ridiculous. You could be someone who's naturally less sensitive to it, which is rare, but most everyone universally talks about the awesomeness of the first time.
Unless they got bunk stuff. And these days, a blot could be as little as 30ug or so. Under 100ug is apt to be underwhelming, which is what it sounds like you had. Sorry to hear it wasn't better, but if it was easy, everyone would do it.
Perhaps in your search for lucy, or at least better tabs, do a little reading about myths and good preparations. There really is alot of good info out there. Like not eating stuff like McD's a few hours before hand. One place to start, http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml
Read as much as you can there and you'll be off to a better, safer start.

:sunny:

 

Well I did write a long ass trip report. Which laid out in detail all my preperations and such. But then the forum flipped out and somehow my 3 hours of work disappeared.

I actually prepped extremely well. I cleaned the entire space Id be tripping in. I made sure to not sleep the night before and sleep the whole day to not get tired mid trip that night. I stayed away from caffeine the night before and the whole day because I didnt want that in my system for the trip. I made sure to have a sitter present. I went as far as putting things I knew id want to do in easily locatable places like my mp3 player as well as putting my guitar capo and the picks in my pocket. I made TV off limits and had a movie ready if I ended up even wanting to watch one. Also, I even wore my favorite outfit just to make sure id feel that much better.

The whole day I made sure to stay in a good mood because I knew I had to go in to the trip positive. Which is why I ate the McDonalds. I reaaally didnt want to eat it, I would have rather eaten a, light, healthy meal. But I was broke and my fridge was empty, and If I didnt eat, I wouldve gotten bitchy and pissed off by the end of the day as well as tired, which wouldve fucked up pretty much everything.

and, what I was saying was, I definitely tripped. As in the things people said would happen, happened. But the things people generally talk about that changed their life and perspective and was amazing didnt happen.

I didnt have a spritual experience in any way at all really, time didnt slow down, music didnt get incredibly amazing, and I didnt have even the faintest visual.

Ive had more intense and life changing experiences smoking weed to sum it up.

The only thing I really have no clue about at all, is pricing. I know all the ins and outs of selling weed, but acid is a whole new thing to me in that sense, and its even worse because theres no real way to gauge the quality until youve bought it.

So, this same person says that have a new batch in. Theyre trying to sell it for 10 a hit, in Ohio (which is dry). I kind of hinted to the person that the acid was bunk and I didnt trip hard, and they said they didnt drop any of that acid. But when I did get it the first time, they said, their friend dropped 1 hit and "felt pretty good" and if I dropped 2 id probably "trip pretty hard". Then today when they said they just got more, I asked if they dropped any of the stuff from before and all that and they said no, like I said. Then I said, oh yeah, you didnt miss out on much. I did both hits I got a body high, no visuals. And they say "my dude did two and did".

So yeah Ive been kinda skeptical about this person. Ive known them since middle school and they dont seem like they would rip me off. If they did I think it would be unintentional and that theyre the one getting ripped off, and im just getting the markup on the scam price they paid for bunk shit because they seem like they would have that happen to them, more than they would rip someone off, theyre too nice for that.

The person is asking 10 but Im thinking if I do buy again Ill try and get them 8

EDIT: After some thought, I highly doubt Ill buy from them again. The shit was bunk, plain and simple I guess. Ive got two people Ill probably ask about getting some more though.

 

Oldest trick in the book. The old "I swear my friend got high". Sadly acid is very easy to lie about but I promise you that guy knew what he sold you.

 

^^i've had a REAL friend get me two geltabs before, cuz this dude was tripping from them. when i ate two, i got nothing. i truly think it was an accident on his part, but yeah, the dude that sold to him probably knew.

OP, it sounds like you got a low dose, not completely bunk (not LSD) stuff. a low dose will give you the effects you said, while lacking strong visuals etc.

 

It defintely was not placebo for me, I checked my eyes out in the mirror about three times that night and my pupils were massive.

All in all though, and I dont know if dosage can greatly effect it or not, but when im fully prepared to trip, I think I react well. Which I was worried about having depression/anxiety/social anxiety. Its wierd, but even with the acid being bunk, I was on a pretty incredible emotional vibe the entire night. Id say the most notable thing in the trip, looking back now, was how my attitude/emotion/mindset going in to the trip totally came to the surface, stayed there, and just set the tone for the whole night in a way where there was just no stopping those vibes.

at the end though, I had pretty much acknowledged that I just got a glimpse of tripping, and the dose was either far too low, or the acid just didnt get stored properly by the previous holders. Either way, I liked the glimpse I got, and Im 100% down for a serious trip. I think the bunk hits actually helped in a way. I feel like I got the nerves out and got over all the fear when I dropped. Now just thinking of having a legit trip, just makes me excited in a really positive way, and I think that can only help going in to the next trip which will hopefully be the real deal.

My hookup Im talking to now goes to raves all the time, hes going to one tonight im sure of it, and he also drops acid at basicaly every single one, and knowing this guy, he wouldnt fuck around and drop 5 hits of bunk acid. Im fairly confident he was being totally honest when he said he gets legit acid, and one or two will fuck seriously fuck you up. He even mentioned the locations of his hookups, one being all the way in the city, which says to me the acid is legit if hes going all the way there.

 

bunk = fake. NO lsd.

you got weak doses, not bunk ones

 

I've yet to see a person drop acid (at any dose) for their first time and not trip. There's not really a "glimpse" into tripping or not. You either fall down the rabbit hole or have been slipped the blue pill. Unless you have had a tolerance effect from a previous psychedelic or are on medication that affects your serotonin levels, you would have tripped pretty hard your first time.

The drug questions reality, it temporarily makes the user insane as while as shares many characteristics with a schizophrenic mind, you would have experienced this at the very least. Visuals are hard to describe, as I have seen them differ trip to trip, but color would become more vibrant, like HD. Trippy visuals arent always present, but it was on my first trip.

So sorry man, I think you got a fake, hope it goes better next time!

 

This is often not the case, There is some middle ground between sobriety and a full blown LSD trip. It isn't a term that was originally associated with LSD but LSD definitely has what Shulgin refers to as a 'mueseum dose' where everyday functioning is still extremely easy and there are minimal perceptual/sensory alterations. I like this description...

100 mcg. of LSD is considered a minimum psychedelic dose. (one microgram (mcg.) = one millionth of a gram.) This amount should produce a low-level psychedelic experience, not overwhelming, and without hallucinations. 200 mcg. is the minimum dose required to produce a full psychedelic experience, complete with visuals and hallucinations, although it will take most people more than 200 mcg. to experience these full effects. The average dose of acid on the streets these days is in the 50 to 100 mcg. range.


http://www.lavondyss.com/donut/guide/lsd.html

There may be some slight variation to those particular dosages in certain individuals but it's a good template and like it mentions... alot of today's acid contain's far below 100 micrograms.

 

I know what you mean guerrilla. My first time I dropped 1 hit of fairly strong blotter and I had a lot of giggles and a lot of visuals but never once fell out of reality. It was kinda like when you smoke weed for the first time but with visuals.

 

Ive always been under the assumption that bunk was just a synonym for shitty quality.

I have diagnosed major depression, but I dont take meds. I was however smoking a lot of chronic prior to the day I had planned on tripping.

I dont know man, maybe my serotonin levels were just so low that the acid just evened me out lol. I had just recently come out a massive 4 month depressive episode, mainly thanks to the bud.

Whats funny about that is during my "trip" I was feeling so good, and my social anxiety was SO non-existent that I was thinking that if I took that same dose of acid everyday, it could almost function as anti-anxiety meds. I was able to function perfectly fine, in fact, since my social anxiety was gone, I was functioning better than I have in years.

Yeah, I never lost touch with reality. Thats a good way to put it I think. I could feel I was tripping, and see it in my own pupils, but I was totally in touch with reality.

 

Acid DEPLETES your serotonin levels, it wouldn't raise them to "even it out". If you do suffer from major depression, I wonder if it's possible your serotonin levels were too low to fall into a trip on a low dose. LSD connects to your serotonin receptors almost perfectly, in every receptor in your body to produce its affect. That's why tolerance is so high after a trip. Marijuana, though sometimes classified as a psychedelic, doesn't react on the same parts of your brain/body, so there isn't any cross tolerance between the two. In fact weed makes it trippier IME

I know depression can be a result of very high or very low serotonin levels, but I don't know if it's possible to be depressed enough to be "immune" to acid. It's all physiological, drugs can carry different effects each time because of the chemical imbalances. Depression is a chemical imbalance. I myself suffer from manic depression, so my serotonin levels "natrually" raise up and down, best described as mood swings. So technically I shouldn't use LSD, but it's a risk I take, and it can really affect me differently depending on my chemical imbalances. So that's one of my theory's. Either that, or you just got jipped. There's many drugs that will make your pupils enlarged, so that's not enough to claim its LSD.

 

^^^my guess is that, while you're tripping, LSD does raise the serotonin levels in the synaptic space. when you're all done tripping, you're brain has adjusted itself to have fewer serotonin receptors on the surface of neurons, so now it won't respond to higher levels of serotonin because there is no place for it to bind.

in short, i do not believe that LSD depletes serotonin levels. if anything, i think he was closer to correct by saying it raises them.

a lot of times you seem overly confident in your replies, black lotus

 

Agreed! I never thought LSD decreased your serotonin. It just is like serotonin structure-wise.

I only have a bio 30 understanding of neurons and such, so I don't know a lot about what I am talking about here, but I don't even know if your actual serotonin levels change during an LSD trip, is it not just the receptors available that change as pork said?

But yes, Black Lotus, if I were you I would preface your posts (especially ones to people who are inexperienced with LSD) by saying that you only have a basic understanding of how LSD works (similar to how I said I am not an expert in my previous paragraph). Words such as 'perhaps' or 'maybe' or even 'I may have read' are also your friends when talking about things you are not 100% sure of.