Hi all, I got 8 g harmala seeds and 20 mimosa hostilis powder..very excited to my first experience I prepared myselfo to do it, fasting 24 hrs..I mashed about 3.5 seeds let them in water and juice lemon for a about 2 hours..I boiled about 15 g mimos ( I read recomended dosage in 10 to start)..when started to boil a let low heat for about 30 minutes.. ( I boilded just one time),, 8.45 pmm I drunked harmala seeds..9.10 1/3 of mimosa...about 20 m little more....the rest in 20 m more.. I layed waiting to see..ome hour nothing ..other hour nothing..no nausea no nothing.. I went to sleep spending almost the rest of night thinking what was wrong.. 3 days after I got the rest, 5 g mimosa and 4.5 harmala seeds..t I made the same way..this time I boiled the seeds for about 30 m..with lemon and water..mimosa 2 times. I drunk like it should be..about 1 1/2 h I felt nausea..I throw up a bit..no much.. still waiting..nothing..the same..almost all night thinking what was wrong. I understand some guys don´t feel nothing also.. I´m thinking in try again..but not sure..I don´t have any clear idea on what to do or exactly what is the problem. I think 15 g mimosa is a strong dosage..I´m thinking if increasing dosage could give me something..but I´m scared that with higher dosage I´ll have a uncontrolabled trip I think that stuff from the dealer is not faked..I already bought from him salvia and was strong..also harmala seed look real and mimosa powder also Any idea from you sure could be very appreciated Thanks all of you! wikitravel
Honestly, I'd say a big part of the reason you failed is your crude extraction. 15 grams of rootbark is only a moderate dose of DMT. Best yields have been 2%, average yields are more like 1 to 1.5%. This means if you get every single bit of DMT out with your simply water extraction, you're only taking around 200mg of DMT at most. Oral DMT requires a higher dose than vaporizing and inhaling it, about 100mg is a good starting dose. Another possibility could be your extraction for the Harmala. Just soaking it in lemon juice water for an hour isn't exactly an efficient extraction. Harmala alkaloids have an intoxicating effect, many call it being "rue drunk". Its not a heavy buzz but enough to know that the MAOI is working. Did you feel anything from the rue? My guess is probably didn't get sufficient mao inhibition and the DMT was destroyed in your gut and bloodstream before it ever reached the brain. There are MUCH more efficient extractions out there and one of the reasons I would say you failed is because of the process you tried. If just using a simple water extraction on Rue seeds and Mimosa Hostilis bark was easy and effective, it would be much more popular. If you want to try this "ayahuasca" style tea method, use Chacruna leaves and Caapi vine. Still, most teks recommend a much longer simmer for your "brew". Making Ayahuasca takes plenty of time and attention, not just a one hour soak. Personally, I think the most effective and reliable method is to full extract freebase DMT from mimosa hostilis rootbark. Then fully extract Harmala alkaloids using the Manske salt extraction. Then your dosing can be much more accurate instead of a shot in the dark. It takes quite a bit more work but has consistent and efficient results. Best of luck.
That's strange cause 1g of mimosa is enough if you use around 3-5g of harmala. I just boil the powder for 15 minutes in regular water and it works. When I first started I followed the instructions online and they tended to be overly complicated and full of nonsense. You don't even need lemon or vinegar to draw out the good stuff. Just boil it like you would tea.
You are completely wrong WildWonder. 1 gram of M. Hostilis Rootbark will at best yield around 2% DMT, that would be 2/100ths of a gram. The starting dose for oral DMT is around 100mg or 1/10th of a gram. A dose of 1 gram of rootbark is about 20mg of DMT at the absolute most. This is nowhere near enough to get the effects. Oral DMT takes a higher dose than smoked and 20mg isn't even enough for a vaporized breakthrough. The maoi is only responsible for inhibiting the mono-amine oxidase in your body so it doesn't metabolize the DMT. So about 100mg to 150mg or harmaline is suitable for this, which is about 3 to 4 grams of harmala seeds if you don't care to do a simple menske extraction on them. Also, just so you understand, an acid is used in the tea to make the extractions more efficient. Regardless, a good starting dose is about 10g of rootbark. But again, this isn't even the way most people make drinkable ayahuasca. The real people in the know will make a brew containing Chacruna instead of rootbark. The average dose is about 30g of chacruna with your maoi.
It works for me plus I frequent other boards, particularly the ayahuasca forum, and they say 10g is ridiculous.
Well I think you might just be mistaken or confused with your numbers. Check DMT Nexus or Mycotopia for more dosage information, both agree with me. 1 gram does not possibly have enough DMT to be active orally even with an MAOI if you're talking 1 gram of Mimosa hostilis rootbark. Keep in mind, the original poster is not talking pure DMT just in case you're confused. Look around on the nexus, mycotopia, erowid and more, they'll confirm the same dosing. That is 100mg dmt fumarate to start, a little less if you're using freebase so maybe 80mg. This is just a starting dose with people taking up to 300mg orally.
i believe you are the one that is wrong. a vaporized dose of dmt for effects is under ten milligrams. just a few grams of mimosa has enough dmt to give oral effects if you have enough harmala alkaloids. i myself have never gotten and effect from oral dmt tho, when making ayahuasca i boiled 28g mimosa multiple times for about 1.5 hours each, and was left with a thick red goup that i was able to choke down about 20 minutes after taking app. 5 grams of harmala seeds. i had already felt the effects of the seeds, and about a half hour after i drank about 1/3 of the mimosa i threw up, and never got any effects. i tried it again soon after, and used the rest of the brew, but still never achieved any effects. dmt works in mysterious ways. Dosage chart i found on erowid. Oral DMT Dosages: Threshold 30 mg Light 70 mg Common 100 mg Strong 200 mg
I disagree and have concrete information that says otherwise. 10mg for vaporized experience? You're either just completely wrong or mistaken and talking about 5-meo-dmt. 10mg of N, N-DMT is only a mild threshold dose when vaporizing. You can see another dosing chart for vaporized DMT right there on Erowid: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_dose.shtml You can see similar dosing recommendations all over the internet: http://deoxy.org/gz_howy.htm http://dmtdrug.com/dmtdosage.htm I could go on and find more but its pointless. If you want REAL DMT information, you need to pick up a BOOK. Its called DMT: The Spirit Molecule and it details clinical DMT trials. The dose they use for a big dose in the book is .4 milligrams per kilogram of weight. Keep in mind, this is IV, intravenous injections. So this is even more effective than vaporizing it and guess what .4mg/kg works out too? This means an average man weighing about 85KG would have taken an IV dose of 35mg of DMT. To get to the same place vaporizing DMT, you need to take a little bit more. You can even read the book as a PDF here and check the information yourself: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/doc/DMT-The-spirit-molecule.-.by.Rick.Strassman.pdf And no wonder you didn't get effects from your oral DMT, you don't seem to understand the mechanics very well. Taking more and more harmala will not help things as there is a specific point where you simply reach complete MAO inhibition. Usually about 3 to 4 grams of rue seeds are enough or around 100 to 150 milligrams or harmine/harmaline alkaloids if you've done an extraction. Also, if you're just boiling and boiling your bark in water, you're doing a VERY inefficient extraction. DMT only works in mysterious ways if you don't understand it and the mechanisms that make it work. If you do understand these things, you can have very reliable and consistent DMT experiences. I think its sad that this is even "up for debate" because all the information is out there already, published in some wonderful books. The DMT Nexus has all these answers too, just takes a little patience and reading.
