By Pete Kasperowicz - 12/07/11 06:23 PM ET The House on Wednesday evening quickly approved seven suspension bills by voice vote, after having debated them briefly on Monday. Most of the bills related to land use, and none were controversial during Monday's debate. The House also debated a bill that would ban a few dozen synthetic drugs that have effects similar to marijuana. Some Democrats objected to the bill by saying it would make medical research more difficult, and said the government already has the authority to ban dangerous substances. A voice vote was objected to on the floor, which likely means a roll call vote will be needed Thursday. The bill is a suspension bill, which means a two-thirds vote will be needed for passage. http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...nsion-bills-delays-vote-on-synthetic-drug-ban http://www.theweedblog.com/congress-...es-of-failure/ "A second bill which is expected to be voted on next week would make it a federal crime to plan to engage in an activity in another country that would violate U.S. drug laws if actually committed in the U.S. – even if the activity is actually legal in the other country." Glob bless America. Chemicals banned : CP–47,497 JWH–018 and AM678 JWH–073 JWH–019 JWH–200 JWH–250 JWH–081 JWH–122 JWH–398 AM2201 AM694 SR–19 and RCS–4 SR–18 RCS–8 JWH– 203 Mephedrone MDPV Methylone Naphyrone Flephedrone Bk–PMMA N-Ethylcathinone Ethylone Butylone Metamfepramone alpha-PPP MOPPP MDPPP alpha-PVP MDAI MPBP 2C–E 2C–D 2C-C 2C–I 2C–T–2 2C–T–4 2C–H 2C–N 2C–P
^ :sunny: Despite this set back, i am still going to continue to try as many of the 2C's as i can. Only one so far (2ce) and i have experimented with that A LOT! Love it. 2ci next. Then 2c-c in the pipeline hopefully.
I have 2c-e on my hitlist next, i keep putting it off though. What doses and methods would you recommend for a 2ce noob? I'm thinking 8-10mg in a capsule.
I was going to go low my first time (after an allergy test) like 12-14, GB was online when I posted I was going to drop that much and he encouraged me not to waste the first experience on that small amount. I'd go 20, 25 if you're confident in your tripping experience. I'd also suggest parachuting it (in tp or rolling paper) instead of trying to get it in a cap. And, if you're at all concerned about nausea which most people get with it, wash it down with some ginger ale or actual ginger. I like It's really strong but I get NO nausea with it. Some like a little ganj instead.
dose it orally. i took 12 mg my first time. i thought it was perfect, though i'm sure i could have taken a little more. i'd recommend 12-15 mg for your first try. you might not trip that hard, but i'd say it's better than getting absolutely blown away. people seem quite variable in their reactions to it. i've taken 2ce ~20 times, and never much higher than 20 mg.
Thanks yall, I'm going to go between 12-20mg depending on how I feel on that particular day (probably this saturday or sunday) and moment. I just want to build some confidence with this compound by treading lightly and then hit higher doses. I hear the E in 2c-e stands for Epic.
you should mail it to the U.S House of reps, with a note saying you weren't sure how dispose of this material, and since they [with very little research] concluded that it should be illegal, they should be burdened to dispose of it properly [since there were no proper disposal instructions given] that, or you could take a boat to international waters, and have a party!
I actually really like this idea. All those inbred jocks and dogmamongers need to be viciously dosed :daisy:
i would be so much happier if by their own free will, they were lovingly dosed with positive intentions.. [say...20mg of 2c-b each to start them out..i know its been scheduled for years, but i feel that it would be the best starting psychedelic for (possibly) drug naive politicians]. If just one of them saw the same divinity that so many of us take for granted, the United States would be one step closer to a nation-wide epidemic of empathy. oh dear. i understand that this is wishful thinking...but what can we really do aside from try to be respectful and empathetic? The House members voted for what they thought was best [be it selfless, or selfish]. The fact of the matter is that if these people probably care more about their reputation/career more than they do about any of us taking drugs. the only foreseeable way in which any of them would vote against this uninformed banning would be to spark a healthy interest in scientific/therapeutic use of these amazing compounds. I assume that if someone dosed them with retribution in mind, there would be hell to pay; the news papers would talk about "deadly hallucinogens being used by radical hippies as weapons".. this would put the integrity of the educated psychedelic users [and more importantly the psychedelic organizations like MAPS] back decades. It just sucks that some kid is probably going to go to prison because of this bill. The people who voted to pass it are probably as clueless about the life of that poor child of American culture surrounding the use of these compounds, as he is about the life of a member of the House of Reps. let the record show that i AM trying very hard to understand why they feel the way that they do.. i wish they would pay us the same respect eace: EDIT: now that i think about it, to be honest, i'd be happy if the availability of these compounds drop to teenagers and irresponsible drug users..i would like to see the RC community go SO far underground that most of us had only limited, occasional access to most things, if regulations were made more strict, and somebody put some effort into gathering objective, scientific data regarding the action/effects/risks/benefits of these compounds. i can only dream.
so from my understanding of the article, this hasn't actually happened, and nothing happened but talked out and possibly a future notion of the bill. this article is weak and lacks details and sources, im not sure how i feel about this article. its seems more like a scare then anything. when something changes besides they are trying to figure out what to do with this shit like they have been for the last 20 years, then that will be news. the more you promote the more they demote, jwh started this all off, the most easy to get at your local headshop, its not like any RC are hard to get. CHEM SALE! just click on a few of the adds on this website draw enough attention to the subject. and there is a whole list of chemicals. this act, is for the health of the general public. anyone with curiosity can easily get these. any of them. and with some of these things, if you dont have the right scale, you can hurt alot of people. being sold to others as other drugs can really hurt people. the access of these potent molecules is to easy. so you get your 2ce, shit, you wanna try it so bad been waiting, but man, you dont have a mg scale, infact till this point you havent had to deal with many mgs, maybe dealing with a few tenths here and there, so you think its a tenth and you cut it in half, and thats what. 50mgs of 2ce? that can really be a huge body load. but you dident know that, just got your rc. now imagine someone doing this and selling it out? how easily it can hurt the public, anyone. can get these. anyone. mostly those who are interested in these are going to have them. but ive heard of cases of someone selling it as molly at a fest and people getting way to spun and hurt. ive heard of a case in which someone was just selling out amounts and not even weighing it out and people where getting really to fucked up. though the select readers on this forum can be educated, and do this responsibly, think about some of those kids who you couldn't ever imagine having it, then getting it, and doing alot of wrong with it. anyone can get these, and some of these are very strong. this list is silly anyways. though that list is pretty long, i feel its pretty empty, most are those are just like stimulants. I like the magical ones, that leave with a ripple and make you progress and connect with the greater. tryptamines are where its at. though a few of those on that list offer a really nice experience, there is still alot of magic out there. and those who have experienced more then one on that list, we should consider ourselves lucky. we are the Molecular age. this list just makes you have to develop better ones. shulgin proved it, their will always be more stay safe
