Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

As usual you ignore what is said to you and just insist you are correct without even bothering to address the truths that are presented to you.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LrrpIDXuw4"]Stephen Hawking on Religion: 'Science Will Win Because it Works' - YouTube

religion is a mental disorder

 

Science Will Win? There is no contest between God and Science for Science to win. Since the universe was created by God and all the laws of the universe, what we call science should agree with the laws God has made. As for things that we call science that do do not agree with the laws of the universe, they will be found to be untrue.

Since you seem to worship science like a religion, do you think this statement applies to you as well?

 

OWB:

See my post #1154 on this page:
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=433276&page=116

Which end? Saved from what?

 

I asked you what you were taught by jesus about what is said of him in scripture?

 

I asked you if the sign of god was sin?

 

(this only applies to the fundamentalist/evangelist Christian God)

I will concur because he is a fascist fuckpig who plays sick mind games with humanity all for the purposes of obedience and power.

Instead of forgiving Adam and Eve as any loving being with a purportedly higher consciousness would God punished them for eating a damn piece of fruit and allows untold misery and suffering to occur all to prove a point. Then he gives us a "chance" by sacrificing himself to himself knowing he will be resurrected with superpowers. With the implicit underlying motive that he is doing it for more slaves. Wow, such a sacrifice.

The true hero in the Christian mythology is of course Lucifer who risked his own hide to give us knowledge and will ultimately die yet being infinitely braver and more heroic than God he soldiers on anyway knowing he cannot win.

 

I can do this; science is winning at this point in history because science will take up religion's concerns against doubt which religion is the true view of a good regime. Too bad, Richard Dawkins, science has no illusions about God at the new trend.:2thumbsup:

 

The seed that dies is not dormant, if it was then where is it? No, it dies and is no longer and that is the definition of death, non-existence.

 

No you didn't. You said; "I would ask, what jesus taught you concerning what was said in all the scriptures concerning himself?", which means that perhaps in the future you will ask. Are you now asking?

So replied to this comment; "I can assume it is something different from what I am taught, while I waited for you to make up your mind if you were going to ask the question or not.

 

The sign of the god of this system of things probably is.

 

Typical.

Jesus is not God but as he himself often said he is God's son.

Also if someone is responsible for the death of all your loved ones, you may forgive them but does that mean that they should go unpunished?

And you may think of it as "a damn piece of fruit" but it was the eating of that piece of fruit that ushered in to the world sin and death and that resulted in the death of all have died since that time.

One thing people, in their rush to condemn God, forget is that the universe is based on laws and fail to take into consideration what might happen if those laws are arbitrarily tweaked, even by God. It could cause the entire universe to unravel and then where would we be. God has worked out the solution to the problem at great sacrifice to himself and his Son and you complain because he didn't do it your way.

I assume that you are here making the common mistake in thinking that Lucifer is another name for Satan.

In any case, Satan did nothing of the kind, the coward did not have the guts to directly confront God but instead picked on the newest of God's creations in hopes of being able to deceive Eve, which he did. He convinced her that eating the fruit was something good, when in fact it brought sin and death to mankind.

And before you say that the sin and death mankind experiences is a punishment from God, consider this illustration. If a child's parents tell him not to drink the bleach in this bottle because it will kill him and then the child drinks the bleach and dies. It is not a punishment from his parents that he died but it is a result of his own actions and the nature of bleach. Now if another person talked that child into drinking the bleach, knowing full well that it would kill him, I would not call that person a hero as you do Satan.

 

Good point. Also, people were so blown away by his senseless sacrifice they had to create an explanation. Human minds will go to extraordinary lengths to make sense of things we don't understand.
With the religion that sprung around Christ and crucifixion and resurrection it still doesn't make sense to most people. We tend to just believe but really don't understand the phenomena surrounding the event. It's almost like there's part of the story that was left out. Keep vague and it adds to the mystique.
Anthropologists study and try to define why we create myths, religions, superstitions and why they grow and evolve over time. I think religions need is in our DNA. Part of evolution. Like a underlying or 6th sense.

 

Yes

 

Well that is not the question I am asking. Is sin the sign of jehovah?

 

OWB:

You miss my point. Life may die, but doesn't come of death, not even the term of ones self-same existence. Ones life binds itself to life.

A seed does not sprout if it's dead (and that's not only science!) : D

 

Why would you even ask such a question?

 

Didn't know you even had a point.

 

Okay but first is this going to be one of your debates about words?

 

OWB:

Well, now that you do ( or are even just considering that I might ) can you deny it? (with anything other than your failure to address it I mean.)

If you just don't undertsand the point I am making, God might be able to help you out? : D