LSD curing depression/Social anxiety?

Since you guys are on the subject, do you know why a person who has blazed for...3-4 years would all of a sudden start having paranoia/anxiety while smoking weed?

For years (3?) I would use it as a cure for my anxiety because I'd be so relaxed and I could go out and socialize...but then one day it just started to make me paranoid and I had to quit smoking and that made me have feelings of anxiety/wanting to be anti-social all the time again. -_-
(up until my last lsd trip I was like that all the time...now I'm back to the "old me" who feels accepted but weed still makes me paranoid!)

It (the anxiety/panic attacks) just hit me last year...I used to be able to blaze and walk around the mall but now it feels like everybody is staring at me and even when I try to shake the feeling it's no use.

Now when I smoke it's usually alone or with a close group of friends/small group of people...Hempfest was terrible for me last time I went

I cant shake it and I <3 weed. It hella sucks.

Any ideas or advice?
:hippy:
-Peace

 

I started getting signifcant paranoia smoking weed after using psychedelics for awhile as well and weed has even triggered a few fullblown flashbacks. I can't think of any pharmalogical explanation as to why this happens but I don't smoke weed anymore.

 

^^strange... I don't smoke that often, once a week tops so I can't personally relate.
but my thoughts: I think the thrill of it kind of died off. You got more practical with it. Something that's a big part of your life shouldn't get you jailed. So why risk it with kids you don't really know? The fact that LSD brought you back tho is really strange...

I think the real thing is, when you start smoking, I remember I felt like I walked into another world (no not being high). It's just you found another world of people. It seemed like oh there's all these new people I'll get along with, sick! But then after you became more a part of that world, you see the other world once again, and they always judged this world, but now you're noticing, and it bugs you. Perhaps the LSD brought you back because your transferred into that "underworld" once again more literally.

 

Has this happened OP?

 

No sadly my friend has work Saturdays and we haven't had a chance yet...but this weekend he gets off early. So maybe trip from like 2pm-x and just see what happens.

I'll update this right after and then a few days after-then maybe a week after.

:hippy:
-Peace-

 

Social anxiety. being shy. these are things you have to work on. What I mean is, no one is naturally not scared of meeting new people. It just comes down to being able to express your amazing ideas (which EVERYONE, including your friend has) to the public. It's a skill.

I think people that over-think sometimes think their type or personality just "can't do it." And that those that seem to be able to have it easy -- nope! Those people have only simply chosen to work on it, and each time still requires a bit of volition and over-riding one's natural shy tendancies.

I was picked on, bullied until age 13, bro. If I can do it, anyone else can.

 

Bullied until the beginning of adolescense, WOW sounds like you had it rough! I'm just being an ass but seriously I think autism and asperger's are obvious examples that some people just do not possess social skills. There is probably a whole spectrum of types of people in between too, but you're right for most people working on social skills helps.

 

Alright thanks. looking forward to hearing about this. Theres an increasing number of promising studies on the subject of psychedelics for depression/anxiety and I always love hearing first hand accounts.

http://www.myhealthnewsdaily.com/mushroom-hallucinogen-well-being-anxiety-depression-1603/

http://www.4us2be.com/health-fitness/swiss-scientists-lsd-can-cure-depression/

 

Hey Shiv... nice to see you bud.

Good article. Thanks.

 

I expect you started smoking less often, but just as much per session.

Try smoking less.

Cause it sounds like you lost your tolerance, which has the effect of causing one to grow a brain about smoking lots in public, after being accustomed to it..... They ARE looking at you, and they looked at you before, too, you just worked you way up slowly and became complacent with it.

Regardless, you used it wrong. If you're using something to cure something, you shouldn't have to be ON it to experience relief, that's just the model pushed by big pharma cause you have to keep buying their shit. LSD can't cure anything, but it can give you the tools to tackle it, next time you're in public. Same with weed.

Everyone has their comfort levels, and you just have to know them and not smoke too much before going out.

Also, something I've noticed/postulated as partially causal in people who have anxiety attacks and a persistant problem with smoking thereafter, after being heavy users, is that they may have used a lot, but they never had intense experiences in the first place. When I started smoking, I pushed the envelope, we didn't go in public, we sat in private and really saw what weed could do, I threw up at least once, getting the spins often occupied several hours a day. I've spent many collective weeks, I would imagine, sitting and spinning backwards into the empty space of the couch at breakneck speed, afraid to move lest I reverse gravity and fall into the ceiling. I think that being disrespectful of weed and assuming you "know" it and all (it IS a psychedelic drug.... bad trips, set and setting, yada yada yada) is a good way to fuck yourself up.

And I've been called a pussy by plenty of totally hardcore stoners, who would shit themselves and then go get religion, if they really met mary jane, without their blunt-maintained tolerance.

That's just my rant, probably way too long to be helpful... don't read it then, I suppose :sunny:

 

I don't think I can say we're 'using' lsd to fix any problem...but we are definitely experimenting with it. I'm secretly hoping by talking it up there may be some kind of placebo effect. Even if it doesn't actually miraculously cure anxiety-maybe his outlook on life will change in a positive way and that'll at least help.

It seems to stem from him not believing in anything and not caring. He plays World of Warcraft a lot and I know that doesn't make him happy... and I also know he wants to go out and kick it but he seriously says 'I know people are talking shit about me' which isn't true. all our friends love the dude and he's hella funny all the time. People always ask me where he is when he doesn't show up to a party or something...

I bought 6 hits (most likely have leftovers to give away to friends) and they are currently being stored in perfect conditions for this weekend. Saturday his brother had a birthday party -_- that would've been interesting. So I'll roll out an update right after we come down/day after/week after-as things develop. I hate treating it like some kind of makeshift experiment but he thinks it could help and might as well spread the word about this particular case I guess.


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yeah I actually found that if I just take one hit (i haven't smoked in a few months) I'm fine. I still laugh a lot/get the munchies but absolutely no paranoia. Some people clown on me for being a 1 hitter quitter but my job does randoms & I work in a metal shop where anything is possible- so it's a good excuse.

check back in a week
:hippy:

-Peace-

 

I know alot about cannabis health effects, mentally and physically, but never thought to research this. has it been known to cause people to be anti-social? because ive noticed that since i started ive isolated myself to already close friends and family. i cant talk to people i dont really know very well. and people that i know i wont have a pleasant encounter with i completely avoid.

 

actually thats not entirely true, in certain situations i get anxiety but very rarely does it actually overtake my thoughts, and when that happens the situation ends badly. i never really want to be arround people but i will anyway if i think my anxiety wouldnt overtake my thoughts, mabye because of a certain person or situation that could happen.

 

Ram Dass on addiction. This is the best answer I have ever heard on addiction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ixRqOauq4"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ixRqOauq4

 

Okay...so we finally dropped Saturday and it was pretty interesting...

First off we had a few people over and he brought his younger brother -_- (brother is 20 my friend is 23 so meh..not a huge difference) This other guy who likes to trip that my friend has never met and a girl who dropped one too decided to hang out for a while...buut


-Anyways-

So we tripped, didn't do much really...just discussed random topics about the universe/different dimensions/how cool imagination is, turned the blacklight on and looked at some really cool blacklight posters & then watched iRobot because things felt kinda awkward after a while having a sober person there who really didn't understand LSD at all and thought it was the cliche 'omg trolls and unicorns are running around the kitchen' visual mind fk.

The girl left after a while...she said she was having a bad trip but eh w/e's clever. After that we just kicked it and my friend was saying "i just feel like I can't focus or think straight." and i told him to just go with it...after a while he did and I could tell he was thinking about a lot of stuff. Just spacing out and looking at wallpapers on his brother's laptop as they changed. (Pretty epic)

Regardless I really don't think it did anything at all for him. He was sort of dumbfounded the whole time and stuck in thought...didn't really open up as far as communicating goes during the trip which is what I was hoping for.

He left tripping and his brother drove him home because his brother was being a candy-ass and decided to ditch...he pretty much ruined the plans I had because I can tell my friend wants to feel like his little bro will look up to him...I still don't have any clue why he brought him in the first place though. :frown:

I've been trying to ask him what he thought but lately he hasn't really been responsive (no change there...same old stuff).

*sigh* It looks like the question has been answered by other posts. :smoking:

It seems like it doesn't "cure" depression/social anxiety. Things are back to normal. I guess the setting/his mindset was probably pretty bad and I don't think he had the chance to experience his trip in full.

We'll see what happens though...I haven't really had a chance to hang out with him and talk about what happened after he left so who knows

whatever, at least we all had some good laughs and cool conversations about life and the beauty of books and imaaagination.

:hippy:
-Peace-

 

LSD CAN be used to help him, but that dose was too low (but a good starting one) and you're think ing of, and following that, going about it, all wrong....

 

lsd is a tool. a tool cannot build a house or fix a car without someone someone skilled with the tool using it. You eaty some acid and wait for the tool to do the job but it won't. You need to use the tool long after the effects are gone. If you don't get it, then you're not ready to use the tool.

 

:smoking:


Well it seems I spoke too soon. After talking to him earlier today he has become a lot more social (maybe just more interested in social interaction I guess?) in my opinion..turns out he's just been busy because his family is in town for thanksgiving.

Earlier today he was saying he went home and found something meaningful that he was looking for when he was just laying down listening to music. He didn't really say what it was but did mention some things we had been talking about during the trip that stuck with him. :2thumbsup:

I just hit him up to see if he wanted to hang out this Friday and he's actually down to go out and get out from behind the computer screen which is awesome. I guess I'll just have to see what happens from here.

:hippy:
-Peace-

(Attached is a picture for you to enjoy. Thanks for reading)

 

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=407287&f=117

 

very nice man. I posted on it to bring it back to the top haha