To fix this whole mess for you. 100,000 protesters in the Oakland area, and all I can see is a bunch of screaming and yelling with picket signs. THERE IS 100,000 PEOPLE! You would expect if that many people had grievances or some kind of problem, it would get fixed right? Surely 100,000 people wouldn't wait for Washington to take more of their rights, wealth, and happiness away. They would march and throw them out!.....or not. My point is, just in the Oakland area there is over 100,000 people who just cannot do anything themselves. If they really had a problem, it would be solved with numbers like this clogging a freeway. Here's the youtube link with the chopper footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4jYdCaHrjQ&feature=player_embedded Count em! This is ridiculous. More than half these idiots have no idea why they are there. The other half, don't know what to do. Add them both together, and I don't question why things are the way they are, because it's painfully obvious. Anyone who thinks this is leaderless and does not make any money should google 'Adbusters'. What makes me mad is this had the potential to change not only America, but the world. But, as the months drag on, one can clearly see that this is not working. Nothing has changed. I suggest for the 100,000 to stop paying taxes immediately. Pile all of the cash, credit cards, etc. and burn it. And stop giving the assholes in power the authority to make decisions for you. Thats why we are in this mess. Non-representing representatives making decisions for you. And all I see is 100,000 people bitching and complaining that 1% owns the wealth and they don't have a job (god forbid people actually make their own products and use their own money instead of a currency loaned to you at interest. So long as the protesters continue what they are doing (which is nothing) they will get nothing. Do you really think the 1% is just going to hand over their hard earned wealth?
There's only so much that those with no political power can do on their own. They've been doing that. What many of us are demanding is the freedom to fix things without government interference.
I'm so glad others are finally strting to come out with this. So far, this is the 2nd post I've seen like this from somebody else. "Swiper no swiping" only works for Dora the Explorer.
Everybody has political power. This mindset that political power is some sort of superpower held by only a few is the only thing allows for the situation we are in. That's all it has ever been - a mindset. If people stopped practicing this systemtic self-defeat, and remembered that we're all just people, this problem would be resolved almost instantaneously. ...and by the way, I do not mean the power to engage in the "political sytem"; that's a fool's game.
The rights to free speech are being denied, their voices online are being censored (Various FB threads and YouTube videos have started mysteriously disappearing over the last couple of weeks, and the government's request for both sites to start censoring was made public.), and many don't believe that votes are even being counted. There's not much along the lines of political power here. The only political power they have left is to protest, and if that continues to be denied they'll probably escalate. I think we're both arguing similar points, though, so whatever. :2thumbsup:
You missed the last part. "...and by the way, I don't mean the power to engage in the 'political system'. That's a fool's game".
But haven't you already implied that simply marching in the street doesn't work? And exactly what do you mean by "throw out" ? If you think marching in the street and being vocal about your opinion doesn't work, then what do you suggest instead? Physical, violent means? How do you know? It hasn't even been 2 months. I think one major change is that people are actually exercising their right to freedom of speech and right to peacefully assemble. Another change is that both Washington and Wall Street are both being held accountable by the people of the United States now. Those 100,000 in the streets of Oakland got off their couch and stopped turning a blind eye. How? Since income taxes are automatically deducted, are you suggesting those with jobs quit their jobs? Or should those with land stop paying their property taxes so the government will come seize their property? Credit cards, yes. But cash? Its a noble effort, but then what? The only feasible way to drop out of the monetary system is to own your own land in which you can grow your own food. Unfortunately, that requires paying property taxes. Its a pretty complex system. Even a million people wouldn't be able to change it overnight. yes. No, but they should be required to hand over $700 billion to the American taxpayers.
Oh shit chainmailleman, you do know adbusters is a spoof advertizing site don't cha ? :smilielol5: ZW
@Meliai #1 Why do you immediately think of violence when 100,000 people throw out a bunch of lobbyists? All it takes is non-compliance. But you can do it violently if you want to stay primitive. They have all the wealth because WE GAVE IT TO THEM. You choose to vote and pay taxes and by doing so you are approving the legitimacy of the system. #2 If they really knew who had control, they wouldn't be marching in the middle of the streets that's for sure. They would be in a closet crying from a mental breakdown. YOUR MONEY IS LOANED TO YOU AT INTEREST. That is the Federal Reserves job. And half those idiots don't even know who Ben Bernanke is. Thats how I know. Otherwise they would be at the Federal Reserve's doorstep giving the feds back their fake notes. #3 Remember the Tea Party? #4 Remember the 60's? 100,000 hippies at woodstock? It's happened before in the blink of an eye. 5# Thats property tax for seizure of house. The IRS is what takes what is called "Income Tax" which, the number of states needed to ratify into the constitution was never met. #6 Like I said....no idea why your even out there.....Federal Reserve People. Your money is fake. Look at it. What does it say at he top? FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE. LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. Thats is why there are no jobs.... skip 7 #8 What about the rest of the world? Favoritism is why they have all the wealth and you have shit.
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So you know whats wrong with the country, but you have no solutions. You're brilliant. Seriously, how do you NOT pay income taxes? How do you overthrow the federal reserve? Give us some solutions here, brother.
There were at least 450,000 if not 600,000 people at Woodstock. Please don't try to rewrite history. Thank you.
not to mention, I'm not sure what point he/she is making. Woodstock was about music. Some of those musicians had a political message to make, and some of the crowd were active protesters, but what does Woodstock have to do with what we are talking about now?
To answer both your questions in both posts: Re-read my posts. @skip I don't care how many hippies were there. And without an educational publisher, I'm not re-writing anything. It was enough to make it into the history books in any school as a bunch of anti-war, drug using, hormonal teenagers that made a stand in a heartbeat and let it naturally grow the way it should have grown.
