Reality and Dreams

Now, i know most of us have had the "what if our life is just one big dream and we one day wake up!" thought, but...

What if "reality" is actually all just a dream, and when we sleep is when we are truly awake? Maybe we have it all backwards... now, you may think "but this feels so real, how could it be a dream?" Well, have you ever had that feeling within a dream, that it felt so real, and you have always been it, and will always remain in it?

This could all be a dream, then when we "sleep" is actually when we are waking up...

 

We dream a dream seeing ourselves figures in the dream, but forget we are the dreamer. The only difference between day and night dreams is at night, you cannot bump into things, whereas in the day, our inattention is the author of accident.

 

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. -Albert Einstein

 

If dreams are real life, then I am having WAY more awesome sex than I thought.

 

I think this ties in with meaningful synchronicity, symbolism that occurs in the real world as it would in a dream. It is a dream, but what does that mean? You call a dream a "dream," but this is just as real.

 

I dont think its a dream man. Still, trippy thoguht

 

I'd love to believe it, but it's too much to get your head round and people look at you funny when you mention stuff like that, and I'd really like to be able to just talk about shit like this because it's so abnormally interesting and thought provoking.

I watched something a bit ago on Astral Projection, and this guy said that we're not humans, but souls(limited by your imagination) in a physical body(limited by physical restraints). Your physical body needs time to recharge when we sleep, but our minds don't need to so we dream. Whether you remember it or not is something you have to work on, because we don't usually need to remember our dreams so we do it subconsciously.
Astral Projection is dreaming, but consciously so you're experiencing it for yourself and people have mentioned doing all sorts of crazy shit, flying, being anywhere you want in the entire universe, being in higher realms that can't be described because of their beauty.

Don't know if this life is more real/right than the "dream life", I reckon it's a yin yang situation with an added sprinkle of "What the fuck am I going to believe now?"

It's interesting because Lucid Dreaming has been scientifically proven to be possible(by Stephen Laberge and some other guy - www.lucidity.com for all the big words and precise data), and it's basically the exact same principle for Astral Projection, you're just asleep instead of awake.


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The full vid is in 11 parts, long winded but interesting


I'm not sure where I stand with this cos although I've been lucid a fair few times I've never yet AP'd. Working on it though

 

I have this trippy thought all the time. Mostly when I am high.

 

Well I don’t really thing that our awake state is the dream since we spend most of our time on planet earth and in that sense there is no question which one is more important subjectively that is.
But this leads to animals who spend most of the time a sleep say a cat can sleep from 14 to 20 hours per day they have reasonable intelligence and there for likely do dream… Now then it would be arguable that cats may think that we are the dream all though we have to consider the consistency in identity when a mind moves from one state to another and that is based on the outside world consistency. Other interesting thought would be that when we dream we connect to passive information that is within the fabric of reality which I guess could be other ppl experiences happenings within the globe or maybe other world’s dimensions etc if it were possible to pick up these sort a things I would think that REM sleep would be perfect for that. But in reality our brains are so powerful so complex that we are at the mercy of its imagination.

 

Gosh !then it would be for me, a spectrum illusion of colour mixed with the darkest of Nightmares - How could I 'live' in the complexeties of contradictory visions and experiences of a world of enigmatic mystery?
- Ooh Err

 

This is a good post. I want to thank you for writing it.
Now, I'll say I have dreams which feel more real than "real life"... And I like it like that.

It's groovy.

 

WTF!? I literally was thinking today about making a thread in this section about the same shit. O_O

 

Me too!

 

So if you kill yourself, you will become awake?

 

If we can label something in the universe as real means that at least some other something won’t fit on the category.

And what we have to determine that? Our senses and nothing more, there is no such thing as a ¨constatation¨ of the truth from a third.
If they tell you: ¨what you see is not real, you are crazy and hallucinating¨ why the fuck not to think: Yeah, I'm having a hallucination of some bastard telling me that what is real is not.

The point is: nothing is real or unreal. Everything just IS. Every experience is valid, this one is, it doesn't matter if we ¨wake up¨ in 5 minutes and this was ¨just a dream¨.

The problem is with the stupid categorical thinking they teach us everywhere, there is nothing wrong with the way the universe works, but there is a fail in our minds when we think that two things that are the same go in different boxes and are contradictory. In this case, a ¨dream¨ is one layer of reality and ¨waking state¨ is other, that’s why neither shares events and their consequences. But since you are the same in both, you can take knowledge from here to there and the other way around, so don’t discard what you learn in that or this.

 

I wouldn't put that one to practise!

 

The thing with reality and dreams is quite interesting. I always like to think that dreams are reality, but then that would mean right now is a dream and it would be a pretty shit dream.

The human mind is beautiful, our dreams come from our sub concious, what we see at night is effectively what we want to see or how we think/feel in the day. Lucid dreaming can also be fun, and it really turns dreaming into reality. I get lucid a fair amount but one that really sticks with me forever is when I asked the world 'what will be' and some of the stuff I saw was just amazing (its all going to be okay people!)

If dreaming was reality though then how could it work? Each of us have our own unique dreams wired directly to our own sub concious and where we may see other people in our dreams we arent both dreaming the same thing. So reality would be like a personal world where anything is possible and our dreams would be where we become one world?

But they do say if you die in your dream then you will die in reality so technically the theory could work!

 

Waking life is real. Dreams are just as real. Everything we experience is reality, whether we perceive it with our waking mind or it comes from our subconscious in dreams or it's induced by drugs. Perception is reality.

 

don't worry, most of us have had that thought too.

obviously it's not the case. dreams skip around and repeat and people change appearances and even change who they actually are and the laws of physics are constantly changing. i suppose it's technically possible that the laws of time and space don't exist in reality and it's just something i've concocted in my mind, but i think it's pretty safe to say that's not what's happening.

 

Maybe dreams are a necessary reminder of how we should behave, that we should more or less let things flow as they will without trying to control everything, and without this reminder we would become as horrible insects, devouring any living thing in our paths.

I think it's interesting to note that language centers are shut off when we dream, but association centers are turned on. I don't think this is nature's way of letting us know, per se, that it is indescribable (dreamlike,) so much as nature just is this way, indescribable, and it makes sense that we dream it that way. And, just maybe...even the larger whole of the universe actually is a larger, subjective dream that can become very personal if we just don't overexploit the rational sides of our brains.