Occupy Wall Street Movement Spreads Across the World!

Discussion in 'Occupy Movement' started by Aerianne, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. yellowcab

    yellowcab Fresh baked

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    If you go and attend GA at one of the protest you would probably understand that this really cant be controlled by anyone, things are very fluid in terms of control. If the corporations did start this for whatever reason, which I really doubt, it has broken out of their control now. As for martial law, we already live in a police state, if we sit around much longer things will only get worst.
     
  2. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    Thank You for not flaming me for asking questions. There is no occupy near me and I only see what is posted around and not from the media bc they are not talking,.

    It's good to know there are ones out there donating to the cause. I have little to give in the way of material things or monitarly as we are in the straights like most farmers.

    I do give my support to the ones that are able.

    I do still have my fears that something is underfoot and yet to be revieled. I hope also that it is unfounded..

    I will leave this thread bc I feel there is no freedom of speach here and I am under threat.
    It's a shame.

    shameless_heifer
     
  3. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    The ONE THING you can be certain of, it is those in POWER who spread FEAR. FEAR is the great mind killer, and it shows in how you are thinking about this...

    You are a VICTIM of the conspiracy theorists who want you to remain POWERLESS to do anything. And that too is reflected in what you have said.

    You needn't be a victim, just reject the conspiracy theories and go down to a protest or GA and see for yourself as others have said. Stop believing the BS of the conspiracy lovers, because THEY ARE THE TOOLS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.

    EMPOWER yourself! Just do it! Don't let these feeble doubts stop you from participating out of FEAR...

    You are better than that! :daisy:

    Solidarity is the only response that will teach the 1% who is really in charge. It worked in POLAND, and that eventually brought down the Berlin wall, and the Soviet Union.

    Now it's time to bring down the Corporate States of America.


    YES WE CAN!
     
  4. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    I wish we did have a space set aside here for people with honest questions and concerns to bring them up, and hopefully, get good answers that would make them feel better about the Movement. That's not the same thing as trolling or corporate propaganda, which is a waste of time and space. Also, good questions from an opposite viewpoint often set up great opportunities to make worthwhile debating points. That's why so many political talk shows try to have at least one guest who disagrees with the host and/or other guests.

    I have always been taught that smart people question everything, at least to some degree. The way that these Occupations are being run right now, I don't see that they have anything to fear from anybody's questions. It's the Wall Street top 1% that needs to worry about people asking too many questions and finding out the truth.
     
  5. ChronicTom

    ChronicTom Banned

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    The problem I have been seeing a lot of, is that people somehow think that them giving their point of view, is a question.

    It is part of the whole argumentative and combative society we are in...

    Asking, "How are corporate attempts to influence the movements being handled?" is an awesome question, and one that should be open to all to understand...

    "I think the corporations are controlling all this and you are all being duped, convince me otherwise" is not... regardless of how that is phrased...
     
  6. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    The way to "Keep the Faith" is not to doubt what you hear from your "peers" and people on the street, but to doubt what you hear from asswipes and conspiracy theorists on the Internet and the MSM.

    Exactly, Tom!

    The latter statement is propaganda being spread by the 1% and it shows because it includes a value judgement against the protests.

    As I said b4, corporations CANNOT influence the PEOPLE the way they influence POLITICIANS.

    The people don't owe a debt to any of those who donate to the cause. So IF INDEED corporations donate money or material, there is not tit-for-tat, no obligation to those corporations. Nothing is owed more than a "thank you". There is NO WAY a corporation donation is going to change how the people vote in the GA, and people would realize this if they actually saw how they operate.

    So let the corporations donate if they choose, whether out of support or guilt, doesn't matter. So far it seems as if the biggest donations are coming from unions to the NYC Occupy protest only. Unions DO REPRESENT WORKING PEOPLE, not the big corporations. Even though a union may be big with its own interests, at least they are MARCHING with the people and supporting them financially. I don't see corporations sending their executives down to march with the people, do you? The few who have ventured into the protests have only tried to put them down.
     
  7. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    Both lines bring up the same issue, but one is rude and obnoxious, and the other is not. Unfortunately, trying to get rid of asshole behavior online, one post at a time, seems a lot like trying to empty the Atlantic Ocean with a coffee cup.

    I've been trying not to let the bad attitudes bother me as much as they used to, since it seems unlikely that the situation is going to improve. I just try to stick to the main subject. What else can we do? Hopefully, most readers can tune out the crap and see the important points.
     
  8. ChronicTom

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    Well, I have been trying very hard to tone down my personality online, which is really hard considering it is pretty accurate to my real one... lol

    However... What really bothers me is when people try to use the guise of 'asking questions' to spread mis-information...

    I realize that a lot of people don't do it intentionally... but it doesnt change that it gets under my skin...

    If you want an honest answer to something, ask an honest question.

    An honest question, does not include a supplied answer...

    I was talking about what I keep seeing in this? One of the things I keep seeing is people who ask questions in manners that cause rumours to fly when there is no basis for them, beyond the 'questions' being asked.
     
  9. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Actually the FIRST QUESTION assumes something that has NEVER BEEN PROVEN! Corporate donations? From who? Yeah, some pizza company decides to donate pizza. Or a tent mfg. donates tents. These are NOT MULTINATIONAL CORPS, just local bizes supporting their local protests. Big difference. Also UNIONS are not MULTINATIONAL (at least not yet).

    There are SO MANY FALSE AND MISLEADING ASSUMPTIONS being made by those who spread these lies, that they only serve to confuse people. That's why we are NOT ALLOWING THIS KIND of propaganda on the Hip Forums, never have, never will!

    The only valid question with any relevance is "Are there any corporate donations coming in from MULTINATIONAL corporations?" And if the answer is no, the issue is settled.

    And what the protesters are wearing, or what model camera they are using is IRRELEVANT to this protest, and anyone mentioning either of these things again will be banned on sight.
     
  10. ChronicTom

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    Actually, how about simply, "How do the movements ensure that those who give donations don't don't use it as an opening to have extra influence?"

    That way it addresses what is at the heart of the issue right across the board.
     
  11. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    The tough part is figuring out who is doing it intentionally, and who just isn't very good at wording their questions. I can't always tell. And if I brush off people just for being bad writers, that would make me a snob. I try not to go there.

    Of course it hasn't been proven, but maybe the person posting it doesn't know that. Maybe they have been told this as a fact, and someone needs to straighten them out and tell them the truth. Where do they go to find out the truth?

    Actually, I would assume that some company has already tried to buy some influence, just because that sounds like something that many companies would want to do. I don't think they will have much luck.
     
  12. willedwill

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    Have a nice weekend Karen J. Explain your bias to them.
     
  13. willedwill

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    Is it going to be analysis for the action. or is it going to be the certain way of helping experiences? I'm shocked.

    Why did we always teach each other the concepts of knowing justice before the ideas of misunderstanding caring attitudes?
     
  14. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Karen, everyone needs to learn how to spot the Corporate propaganda on sight. When something doesn't seem to make sense, and only serves to undermine the movement, you can betcha it's propaganda with the intent to make people think the movement isn't what it says it is, so people ignore it or put it down.

    These are PSY-OPS coming from think tanks opposed to the Occupy movement. They are running full speed to discredit the movement using every tactic they can. They are pressuring cities to crack down on the protesters as they have this week. They are spreading lies and rumors about the movement. Expect a LOT MORE OF THIS!

    As I said to Shameless, you should trust your PEERS and those on the street. NEVER Trust the police, the government or rumors that serve to undermine the movement. See, it's very simple!!!

    They (the 1%) own the MSM and so they will make sure these lies get spread far and wide among the sheeple.

    To even respond to these lies is to give them some credibility when they are so irrelevant to what is going on, down in the streets.

    So what if someone is wearing Nike shoes? So what if "millionaire" Michael Moore addresses the protesters. They want to paint everyone as being part of a conspiracy to mislead Americans, when in fact it is they who are conspiring to mislead us into believing this is NOT a true grass roots movement of the PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE.

    Remember this folks, THE PROTESTERS and the OCCUPY MOVEMENT are not the ISSUE!

    The issues are those that have been clearly stated at the GAs around the country, and you can look them up.

    Anyone trying to make the Protesters themselves the issue is trying to stop the movement! Got it?
     
  15. primalflow

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    Good eye, Skip. I hadn't even thought of that last sentence.
     
  16. Argiope aurantia

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    I heard the words "Occupy Moscow, Russia" today. "Occupy Hong Kong" is up and running, as are "Occupy Seoul" and "Occupy Jerusalem." The people, not the politicians and not the military are backing the Occupation in countries that we are supposedly at odds with. Have we finally found something that the world can unite for? Hoping. Seriously hoping.
     
  17. primalflow

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    Maybe people around the world are realizing they've all been living under the same evil umbrella.
     
  18. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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    lol the banksters: "we are wall street"

    i dont know if that is authentic...
    http://thejobmouse.com/2011/10/28/we-are-wall-street-wall-street-strikes-back/
     
  19. yellowcab

    yellowcab Fresh baked

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    Hey thank for the link, that was pretty funny, as if those assholes ever did, or can do, an honest days work in their lives, lol.When the banksters land on the street they will not have the skills to steal an honest job. They will not have to worry about the landscaping after their homes are foreclosed.
     
  20. Meliai

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    at least they admit their fancy Wall St. offices are basically glorified casinos...
     

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