guidelines for new muslims

so many people are out to harm muslims and in general the reputation of islam..

so many of them are truly good people..

I have many muslim comrades....

 

Terrorism is a crime against humanity. Islam is a religion that means "peace". In the Koran, the Holy Book of Islam, God commands believers to bring peace and security to the world. The Islamic morality is the cure for terrorism, not the source of it.

''God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny. He warns you so that hopefully you will pay heed.'' (The Noble Qur'an, 16:90)

''Each time they kindle the fire of war, Allah extinguishes it. They rush about the earth corrupting it. Allah does not love corrupters. (5:64)''

''Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against because they have been wronged - truly God has the power to come to their support - those who were expelled from their homes without any right, merely for saying, 'Our Lord is God'… (The Noble Quran 22:39-40)''

''Fight in the Way of God against those who fight you, but do not go beyond the limits. God does not love those who go beyond the limits. (The Noble Quran 2:190)''

''God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you over religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just. God merely forbids you from taking as friends those who have fought you over religion and driven you from your homes and who supported your expulsion... (The Noble Quran 60:8-9)''

''You who believe! Show integrity for the sake of God, bearing witness with justice. Do not let hatred for a people incite you into not being just. Be just. That is closer to heedfulness. Heed God (alone). God is aware of what you do. (The Noble Quran 5: 8 )''

The teachings of the Prophet on how you and I should treat our Non-Muslim friends and neighbours on a day to day basis as well as how to government should treat a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state.

"He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim)

"Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari)

"He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement." (Bukhari)

"Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (Al-Mawardi)

"Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise." (Bukhari)

 

cab islam isnt a race so being anti islam isnt being racist.

and I dont give a damn if you call me a racist its the usual thing muslims say at some point about people who are critics of their religion .
it doesnt effect me in the slightest half my family is chinese most of the top critics of islam are not white

Im not a christian so I dont see how anything thats in the bible effects what I say about islam .

youve choosen passages that make it appear that islamic slavery was somehow kind it wasnt we have gone over this before the topic of this thread is how muslims see non muslims.

and I attack muslims over slavery partly because Ive talked to muslims who still support slavery, its still practiced in some islamic countrys, and mohammed made and kept people as slaves something that jesus for example didnt do .

I havent seen anyone disagree with the guidelines for new muslims and backing up why they disagree

jedi and mui if you think you have muslim friends either two things are happening either they are going against the teachings of their religion, or they are fooling you and you are both really gullible idiots .

the koran says that a muslim shouldnt take a christian or a jew as a friend , now christians and jews are people of the book its much worse if either of you are lets say hindus or atheists

read the guidelines again and find some muslim who wishes contradict them using islamic scripture http://www.faithfreedom.org/Announcement/MuslimGuidelines.htm

 

I'd say this kinds of people is just expressing a (somewhat distguisting) political/cultural view - they're not spokesmen of Islam. At least I know some muslims that tell me this is not what their faith is about and I belive them 'cause they are nice people in deeds and words.

 

These quotes makes a lot more sense than many things I've heard people say in the name of Religion and Christianity in particular. I'm all for being a Non-Muslim ally if the option is waging war.

 

magnus you can only be a dhimmini if your a person of the book a christian or jew.

Im a atheist or agnostic depending on how grumpy I am, so I couldnt get dhimmi status and worse than that Im a critic of islam so Id be cruicified or have my hands and feet cut off .

pagans hindus new age people ect ect ect cant be dhimmis
so you would be allying yourself against them for a supposed quiet life .

as a dhimmi you would live the life of a second class citizen a life that would be set up in a way that would encourage you or your decendants to convert to islam.


amiera islam doesnt mean peace, it doesnt bring peace, you cant have peace with pagans atheists ect ect ect

what the islamic concept of peace is comes through submission to islam
submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah in the Quran

The Quran, by the way, teaches that Muslims are never to initiate war. But Islam has a strange way of explaining this. For example, Muslims are supposed to offer non-Muslims an opportunity to embrace Islam. If the non-Muslims refuse, the Muslim thinking is that they have commited aggression against Allah and Islam. Therefore, the Muslim is allowed to fight these aggressors against Allah and Islam until they become Muslims or are killed.

another point the concept of innocence

in the koran it says 5:32
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Min ajli thalika katabna AAala banee isra-eela annahu man qatala nafsan bighayri nafsin aw fasadin fee al-ardi fakaannama qatala alnnasa jameeAAan waman ahyaha fakaannama ahya alnnasa jameeAAan walaqad jaat-hum rusuluna bialbayyinati thumma inna katheeran minhum baAAda thalika fee al-ardi lamusrifoona

YUSUFALI: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

PICKTHAL: For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.

SHAKIR: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

now the interesting bit is spreading mischief in the land or as pickthal translates it corruption in the earth

Mischief in arabic is 'fasad'. the islamic definition of 'fasad'
http://www.islam101.com/selections/glossaryEF.html
Fasad
Fasad, literally 'corruption', in Qur'anic terminology, means creating disorder and corruption on earth by following a path other than God's. Islam maintains that true peace and happiness emanate only through the observance of God's commands and through making a conscious effort to see that His laws alone are implemented in every sphere of life. Fasad occurs when man violates God's laws and disobeys Him. Fasad may therefore be partial as well as total; partial when one disregards God's law in one aspect of life while acknowledging His sovereignty in other spheres. If a society is based on the denial of God, that society is bound to be a corrupt and exploitative society - hence full of fasad.

Fasad happens when people don't follow allah's way... So basically this means that non-muslims are guilty of fasad, and thus are allowed to be killed.

reading this may make things clearer
its a tafsir on that verse

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=5&tid=13751

The Punishment of those Who Cause Mischief in the Land

Allah said next,
(The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land.)

'Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.


amiera
you said something that clearly contradicts the koran. you refer to our non muslim friends and neighbours ,who are these people when you are directly told not to have christians or jews as friends and if anybody they are the most close to muslims .

Im sure if you said that on a islamic forum someone would have brought you up on that most likely you have non muslim friends but thats not part of the religion .
it would be nice if you put the number by the haddith qoutes you seem a nice person having non muslim friends best wishes

 

Are you following your religion?

 

I dont have one, I believe in no gods, no afterlife when I die I will rot.
while Im alive I try to live ethically and without fear

 

I like your statement and i think you strongly believe that you do live ethically, but in my opinion, I don't think it is ethical for someone like you to come to an Islam forum and bash it. You should try to go to an Anti Islam forum and say things there rather than come here and show the negative aspects of this religion.
I think in here it is only ethical and moral to admire the positive aspects of Islam, the people here who really sincerely want to learn about it- only want to learn about the positive aspects of this religion, they don't want to know about the negative aspects.

 

I know people who converted to islam who claim they were not told about apostates being killed . I was on a islamic forum a few days ago, and there was a (muslim I think) saying that he thought it was wrong that if there is a death sentence on people who leave islam that they were not clearly told .

I dont think he thought that there was a death sentence because of the no compulsion verse in the koran, but the majority of other muslims on the thread thought there was a death sentence .

now if islam is true whatever I say shouldnt effect someone becoming a muslim because truth will shine out over falseness .

as it stands on the internet at the moment there are thousands if not millions of islamic websites where if I asked the wrong questions Id be banned .
then there are a few anti islam websites where someone like cab would be swamped with anti-islam people.
in a way this site is nuetral ground or at least as nuetral as your going to get.

you have me and a few other people who are anti islam, you have lots of people who dont have a view one way or the other, and you have cab and some other muslim posters who are pro islam.

cab or I could set up our own personal forums to study islam or anti islam and keep out muslims or non muslims if we wanted , but a open islam forum on a hippie site isnt just going to have pro-islam or anti islam views

 

i think jonny was bullied at school or something.

That sort of hate isn't natural.

But at 40years old that must of been a long time ago.

Pitting you wit against 16 and 17 year olds AND losing is saying something.

 

I have no power to decide on the age of the people who post here, and I dont see how I have lost.

I dont see how old you are nappy , but if you would like to disprove what I have said about islam go ahead

islam is a religion full of kafir-phobia ,I just think its a good idea to inform non muslims how Islam thinks of them

The hate is coming from muslims,

its the koran that teaches people to crucify people and cut their hands and feet off not me

 

How can you interpret a verse that speaks against terrorism and make it look like its for terrorism. You know the hadith and how those liars, robers and murderers were dealt with during the time of the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him), this was because they had spread fisq in the country and they got cut off, litarally.

 

@ jonny2mad Well, I’ve all kinds of people as friends because I am in international school. Doesn’t Muslims have non Muslim friends in the UK? That’s odd because it’s a Christian country…..

About what would you like to see haddith qoutes?

“The hate is coming from muslims, its the koran that teaches people to crucify people and cut their hands and feet off not me.”

“I try to live ethically and without fear.”

So a contradiction. Never mind, I sometimes discover my own contradictable system of values.