A question?

hahaha I'm not laughing at you, just at the irony. Get back to me ten years after the surgery, and we can get high and have a long talk about reality.

 

Get high? Ah well, at least you have an excuse for why most of your brain cells are totally fried then. lol

 

Marijuana might be your best friend someday. I picked it up after my suicide attempt failed. It's wonderful for suppressing painful emotions and allowing a person to explore his/her thoughts and feelings, what one might call "cutting through the bullshit" that runs through our heads. It does not kill brain cells, just puts them into standby mode for a while, which might be what you need someday. That decision, like everything else, is up to you.

I reiterate that I am, in fact, trying to help. You are not going to listen to me, at least not today, and I know exactly why you won't, but someone might. I feel a morbid obligation to share what I have learned, the hard way, and perhaps to help anyone who might be considering making the same mistakes. I wish someone would have been honest with me about this bullshit a long time ago, although I'm not sure that I would have listened.

 

I'm 99% convinced you are a troll. What you have learned "the hard way" (real or made up, though Id definitely put money on it being the latter) isn't anything that can be backed up by hard science, or irrefutable fact. Nor can a single person's experience be used as a yardstick for a huge number of people. Nothing you've spouted over your past few posts are facts, quite the reverse in fact. I've seen many people come out with the nonsense you just have, although they haven't tried to dress it up with a "personal experience" front.

You may think you're clever, but I can see right through you. lol

 

I have to say "right back at ya" on that one. Laughing is good...don't forget the "lol" when things get crazy.

 

Well at least you didn't deny it. If you're trying to be a "good troll", I suggest you work a bit harder on trying not to make yourself look quite so obvious.

 

If you're comfortable with believing that everything that I have told you is just for the sake of upsetting you, then, by all means, delude yourself into thinking so. Self-delusion is common in the T community, until after the surgery, and then reality comes crashing down like a ton of bricks.

That's what I'm trying to warn you about, but, like I said, I know why you're not listening to me, and I doubt that anything that I can say will make any difference. Pre-ops are that way. I hope it works out for you, and if you're smart, you will find a way to make it work. Maybe you'll be just fine.

Just, please, be aware that the surgery is not going to do anything positive for you. You will, regardless of the "success" of it, have bladder control problems that will persist for a long time, and people will still call you "Sir" every now and then, regardless of what you have between your legs. Some of them, especially lesbians, will do it just to be cruel. If you can handle that, and the shock feeling that you're really just a man with mutilated genitals every now and then, then by all means, go for it. I'm giving you a glimpse down the road, but you want to ignore me and stare at your dashboard lights. OK fine...I will get no satisfaction whatsoever at the idea that you will someday know what I'm talking about. I get a small amount of peace from knowing that I at least said something.

BTW, Paxil is supposed to be good at treating OCD. Pop quiz...out of Harry Benjamin's girls, how many of them were found to have been suffering from OCD? The answer is, all of them, but there weren't any drugs to treat OCD back then, so they sort of overlooked that. Now, there are options for people who want to get help. I suggest that you do, because I'm not a troll, I am a human being, and I feel the need to help others. See a therapist who is, in no way, involved in the gender community, and who is not a "sex therapist", and try to straighten out what's really wrong.

Or, better yet, just say something to try to discredit me, bury your head in the sand, and continue down the path that you're on, and I hope it all works out for you. I tried.

 

Yes, you are a troll. And trolls are also human beings as well you know. Twisted, warped ones maybe, but they still are human beings (though I use that term very loosely) nonetheless.

Your type of "advice" and "help" is precisely the thing that drives many people with gender dysphoria into a deeper depression, and sometimes, to take their own lives. But then, if you actually knew anything about the subject, you'd know that already.

 

What you don't understand, and what a "sex therapist" won't tell you, is that depression has nothing to do with gender dysphoria. If you're depressed, or OCD, or bipolar, you need to get help with that, and then, once you're in a healthy state of mind and spirit...THEN...you can start dealing with gender dysphoria, if it's still a problem.

I hate to be brutally blunt, but nothing else is getting through to you. If you're mentally fucked up, and most people are, in some way, having your private parts run through a Cuisinarte is not going to heal your mind and spirit. It will only make things worse. Please, if you do nothing else, please, for your own sake, have your mental health checked up by someone who is, in no way, involved in the gender community.

If what you want is to win an argument, OK, whatever, you got me, you win. You're a genius, you've exposed me as the troll that I am, the world revolves around you, everybody loves you, everybody hates me. Fine. But, part of me wonders if you might stop and consider what I have to say, even if it flies in the face of what you're hearing from the gender community. T girls aren't exactly renowned for their honesty, with themselves or others, but that may be something that you just have to learn the hard way. I hope it works out for you, and if you ever need to talk, please send me a PM.

 

Ima have to close this up in a little while once you all get your final words in..
@ Morella Marchande you're assuming to much about Invisible Soul....
Which can be easy to do in a transgender forum..

I just wanna point out that Im a Muslim too, so there is no confusion later.. :sultan:

One can not know another character here after a few post.. This is highly diverse community.. :daisy:

Please choose topics and replies wisely when discussing delicate matter..
repeated personal attacks and inappropriate directed advice will not tolerated.. :love:

 

Thanks for that. I'm just doing the same thing that someone else tried to do for me many years ago, but I didn't listen either, so I should have known that it was hopeless. I do feel better knowing that I tried, though, and thanks for letting me rant this long.

 

Nice strawman. To suggest symptoms of gender dysphoria (including the torment caused by ignorant bullies) cannot cause depression is just ridiculous. Of course depression as a general term, has nothing to do with gender dysphoria. But that doesn't mean having gender dysphoria doesn't cause depression in many individuals who suffer from it. In fact, in many cases, a diagnosis of gender dysphoria will not be made if the individual is known to be suffering from mental illnesses such as schizophrenia. Gender dysphoria is totally seperate from those things you've just mentioned.

I in fact, have had my mental health checked many times by a few different therapists who are in no way involved with the gender community. And I am in no way "mentally fucked up". The only thing I've ever been diagnosed with is depression, completely caused by gender dysphoria, and moreover, having to share the planet with narrow minded, ignorant bigots like you. You on the other hand, I fear, are in severe need of psychological analysis.

Again, nice strawman. If you want any hope of anyone taking anything you say seriously, I'd suggest not acting like an enraged child who isn't getting his own way. lol I'm not a genius, but then, you wouldn't have to be a genius to highlight the nonsense you're spouting as ignorant, biased nonsense. I don't hear much from the "gender community", seeing as I don't participate in it. And in fact, disagree with much of what I hear from that community. Sorry to shoot down your ill-conceived assumptions.

It has been proven over many decades that advice such as yours (which for years was the only advice anyone claiming they were born in the wrong body would recieve if they sought help) not only doesn't work, but also heaps more misery onto trans individuals. And that is the cold hard fact of the matter.

 

*sigh* I am very sorry if I upset you. I am wrong, you are right.

 

I'm detecting sarcasm here, but Orison is doing the right thing in closing this thread, because it's definitely run it's course.

 

Bien sur. Il est musulman...ils ont toujours la raison. :sultan:

Again, I do apologize. I was trying to help, but I let my own feelings about this cloud my judgment and carry me into an argument that I knew I couldn't win. No sarcasm intended.

 

"Bien sur. Il est musulman...ils ont toujours la raison" translates to: "Of course. He is a Muslim ... they always have the right". :\ Are you saying Orison is a Muslim? And why would Muslims have special priviledges for closing threads?

Then, apology accepted. It is a very complex issue for sure, and ignorance about it at least to a degree, is something that has just to be expected. And personal feelings definitely can cloud judgement about certain matters.

Edit: I just saw Orison saying he's a muslim... which I presume is a falsehood.

 

Umm...he told me that he was a Muslim, and I made the assumption that he read my post in the French language forum, in which I made a joke about making a Muslim person smile, using that same icon. That was the joke, although they're usually not funny if you have to explain them.

I am "happily" married, and therefore well-adjusted, I suppose, after 11 years. Hope it works out for you, really, and I do apologize for being so blunt, but nothing that I said was intended as a lie. I was just returning a favor that was once done for me, with pretty much the same results. I made the best of it, and life is pretty good, and I wish the same for you, my friend.

 

I just edited my above post, as I initially didn't realise Orison had called himself a muslim.

Well, it probably wasn't so much "lies" as misinformation. But certainly, none of the advice you gave would be of any help to someone genuinely suffering from gender dysphoria. That is just a proven fact. But there are other people who are simply "confused" about their gender, and don't actually have gender dysphoria. Like I said, its a very broad spectrum, and what is going to be of help to one individual, could do a great deal of damage to someone else.

 

No.. Im a secular Muslim.

 

Oops sorry, I didn't mean to offend you.

I take it by "secular", you mean you reject some of the laws and rules of the organised religion of Islam? Have you ever felt that the fact you're transgender is in direct conflict with the teachings of Islam? Im not saying I know much about the teachings of Islam, but I'd presume that a lot of Muslims would have a problem with transgender people.