Is God Still Necessary?

You mean other than the fact that God does exist and the Universe was created by God and not a black hole?

 

I think you are confusing communication with knowledge. Words are how we come to know things, they are not the things themselves. We believe in certain persons and their words because of their credibility. Reason tells us that the satellites and astronauts that take pictures of our planet are not hoaxes because of the credibility of their sources. It is far more reasonable to assume the whole things is not a hoax. We can take those pictures to be proof that our planet is a spherical ellipsoid. When an uneducated Evangelical makes the claim that God speaks through him, I dismiss it because of a lack of credibility. It is far more reasonable to assume he is delusional or a liar.

As an aside, the idea that people believed the world was flat 400 years ago is a misnomer. As far back as the twelfth century England had maps that showed the world as round. Perhaps some believed its flatness, but those who were educated tended to think it was round.

In the end, I do see your point though, I just think you take it too far.

 

It's been fun but there's a certain point where one must realise that you're best off letting go and letting live. I see credibility as something that is still only a human measurement. And as humans we are a shortsighted impulsive species which makes our credibility in and of itself shortsighted and impulsive. I, instead of trusting to humanity, trust to things that make sense to my soul, which I guess is why I'm a taoist. I don't believe in God or gods but I do believe in an eternal energy which is everything and nothing, has always been but will technically never be. To me gods and men are all just short term manifestations of this eternal energy and as such I look to it and not them for my answers. Or the lack there of

So in essence perhaps I am taking this to far, but only to far for shortsighted humanity to understand without understanding what it means to understand nothing and every thing all at once. Think on this phrase man. Without first embracing the lack of knowledge one can never truly embrace knowledge itself. It is good that you look to humanity for your knowledge just as it is good that Older Water Brother, Ukr-Cdn, and others look to Christ for theirs, because you are all glimpsing peices of what I've seen and that means that you're slowly coming to understand these things as well. May your knowledge serve you well my brother
Peace n' love

 

I would give you a rep, but this damn ebook won't let me.
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The easiest way to win an argument, if people will let you, is to state your opinion as fact in an authoritative sounding way, back it up with no argument or evidence, and stick to your position. Some will be impressed that you actually know something. I believe in God, too, but when I participate in a Forum discussion, I think I need to do more than just keep saying that.

 

It's not a matter of necessity but a matter of believing/having faith or not. Some may experience it as a necessity though, or as an necessity for others (like for examplein the sense of what if all the people who follow rules only because they believe they will be judged after death stopped believing in any cause). I think it's solely a personal matter if a god is 'necessary', but like I said I don't see it like that.

 

I was merely mentioning that he was forgetting another possibility but thanks anyway.

 

So in essence perhaps I am taking this to far, but only to far for shortsighted humanity to understand without understanding what it means to understand nothing and every thing all at once.

So, what are you saying here? That short sighted humanity cannot understand what you seem to believe that you understand, and that is, that you can understand the concept of nothing being everything all at once.

Well you might be able to deceive yourself into thinking that you can understand everything is actually nothing all at once, but you aint ever going to deceive me into beleiving that you can see all that exists as nothing, otherwise you would have been able to explain your so-called concept.

And now let me show to you, that we short sighted humans might understand more than you think that "YOU" know.

I, as do many within the scientific community, believe that all that exists in this visible three dimensional world, is merely wave particles which are not particles at all, as they have zero mass and no eletric charge, and yet they carry linear and angular momentum.

I believe that those wave particles are the quantum of the Liquid like electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the trillions of degrees at the moment that the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity of origin, was spatially separated by what is called the "Big Bang."

And that which we perceive as this universe, which is all that has ever existed, all that now exists, and all that will ever exist, is simply those invisible wave particles being gathered together in their return to the great Abyss from which they originated.

In reality, what are the galaxies and all that exist within them?

Basically, they are only molecules, which are not molecules at all, but only a gathering of Atoms, which are not Atoms either, for they are but a gathering of sub-atomic particles, which themselve are no more than clusters of wave particles, which are not in reality particles at all, as they have zero mass, no electric charge and yet carry linear and angular momentum.

And you believe that humans are short sighted and cannot understand that all that exists is nought but the divine animating principe that prevades all that exists within the universe, and is all that exists, and yet all that exists is merely momentum, the ever evolving cosmic Mind that is God.

 

I'm not really certain what you were trying to prove with this message. It would seem to me as though you are not even trying to grasp what it is that I am saying. You are yet another who obviously wishes Science to be the answer to all things, I on the other hand see Science as just another human attempt to explain the things that they don't understand. In ancient times when thunder shook the heavens man quaked and called it the power of the gods. Now man seeks to understand without the need of this awe and fear. Yet deep inside we all still know that we don't know. If we did there would be no more need for gods, be they Jesus, Thor, or Allah. We try to understand the universe but yet when it comes to truly understanding we cannot because instead of trying to understand it as a whole, both Divine and Science, we try to grasp at only the single. Everything in our universe is a duality, even those things that may seem not to be. If you look for meaning in only a sliver of all there is then you'll only ever understand that sliver

Yes all things were made with atoms etc etc etc. But do you honestly think that those atoms are all we're ever going to be or all we ever were?

 

Uhhhhmmm,
You guys do realize that you are essentially saying the same thing, just using different terminology and perspective, but still essentially the same concepts.

All theories, scientific, religious or otherwise are always tentative and subject to modification.
Sadly, both the scientist and the preacher tend to forget that.
The answer lies in the middle.
Anything is possible, but not all things are probable.

 

Is necessity still a God-thing? -- in political economics.

 

god or gods do not exist because they are needed. it or they exist, if they do, and something like them very well may, because they damd well feel like doing so.