Is it worth it?

Discussion in 'Living on the Earth' started by walsh, Aug 29, 2011.

  1. walsh

    walsh Senior Member

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    Go for a drive/walk in your area. How many places can you go? I'm driving along and everywhere is fenced. Sure there are a few urban parks, state parks and national parks but you usually have to pay to camp there. Roads, shopping centres, plazas, is all there is if you don't want to get charged for trespass.

    I just moved to the country and want to get out and walk through the fields but I can't. There's a popular view that the country is wide and open, friendly and relaxing. It isn't. It's a long road, with everything else blacked out and inaccessible.

    Land is given to us by mother earth - food is provided by trees which grow naturally and freely. You can't walk through the land or pick an apple off a tree any more. Everything is owned by someone or something.

    The cost of me having my little slice of land is being unable to go anywhere else. Is it worth it?

    Why does no one talk about this? No one thinks about it? I'm not suggesting something can be done, or can't be done, or changed, or complained about, or stopped complaining about. Just thinking out loud.

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  2. Blissfullyawareofitall

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    My whole life I've been told about "property" and "land ownership", so often that it's been stamped into my brain.
    I never really thought about the bounty that nature provides, and how unnecessary the vast oceans of farmland and privately owned property really is!

    I've walked 40 miles in the country before to get from town to town, inbetween seas of corn with tiny breaks of trees and rivers separating fields. It's quite a sight, but really, the free roaming land is reduced to 3-4 feet across on the side of a country road, and maybe a drainage ditch.

    If you want freedom however you can own a ranch, or what the government qualifies as a "ranch", simply just a large field unoccupied by agriculture of any sort. A couple of my friends live on them and they can walk around naked if the so please!

    But I've actually found less restrictive space in the city(town) I live in! Especially if you like to skateboard :).
     
  3. The Imaginary Being

    The Imaginary Being PAIN IN ASS Lifetime Supporter

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    i live in a country suburb - the majority of it is open to the public.
     
  4. mckarkies

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    I see everything that was created on the Earth as either, a skateable obstacle, or not. It's so funny, how many back alleys i've roamed just looking for a spot. How many miles i've driven just to find a spot where my friends and I can kick around for shits. It seems that the rest of society is jealous that I decided to push instead of walk around.
     
  5. Meliai

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    No one talks about it because the idea of land being something that can not be used as a commodity to be bought and sold is a really fucking radical idea. Most people will either reject it straight out without even thinking about it, or they'll equate it to communism.
     
  6. PEACEFUL LIBRA

    PEACEFUL LIBRA DAMN RIGHT I'M A WEIRDO

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    I live in the concrete jungle there really isn't that much grass or open places unless i go in the suburbs



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  7. Meliai

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    I live sort of in the suburbs, sort of in the country. I have to trespass in order to enjoy the country. Its something I am not above doing, might I add. But still....getting arrested for trespassing or meeting someone on the other side of a shotgun isn't something I really want to go through just to walk through a field or enjoy a creek.
     
  8. roamy

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    i live in free open spaces.i cant believe that people havta pay ta go ta the park.our parks all open an free.i just have ta walk out the door an can go through 40fields if i want ta an the woods an the parks an the beachs.people should'nt havta pay ta walk in the park.
     
  9. walsh

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    I drove to a river in rural land about 20 miles away hoping to relax by the water. There were 4 or 5 dead end roads leading off the main one to the river. I went down each one and at the end of all of them were a couple driveways down to farms with "no entry" or "no access to creek". So there was no way to get there, I said fuck it and went home. Later I looked at another map and saw a tiny public park off an obscure road, but that's it. I think that's fucked.
     
  10. pattymary

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    what a world! the amerindians were saying : you cannot own the sky you cannot own the sun so why could you own the land.?. and they have been spoiled from the land they did not own..
     
  11. Jixx

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    It maddens me that land seems to always be owned by someone, but I still bought some land myself in a very rural area.
    - renting was filled with anxiety: sure we might be allowed by the landlord to do this or that, but planting trees, clearing out rumbles and blackthornes, rebuilding stone walls etc takes time, and when the owner wants to sell, it's several years of your life down the drain and you have to find a new place and start all over.
    - trying to live communally was a big pain in the ass: folks on power-trips; lazy-ass folks who expect you to take care of gathering/cutting up wood and gardening/harvesting/preparing vegetables/herbs/fruits; racist/sexist folks; aggressive folks.
    - squatting was looked into then dropped: same as renting but with way more insecurity.

    So yeah, I bought land so now we are able to do as we please. A river and a little road is crossing it and we take care though of allowing folks to still be able to use it or go see the river. It's people on motorbikes and ATVs that we do wish would stay away and stop ruining the road.
     
  12. RawAndNatural

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    I wish that I had the answer. I can tell all of you that nature alone cannot feed all of the people on earth by natural hunting and gathering. The population is too large for that.

    I live in the city and rent a room in a house. That's the cheapest way of living that I've found here with the exception of sleeping in a car while it's parked in store parking lots, etc...

    I'm trying hard to come up with an alternative. I've been seriously considering van dwelling, but I'd rather live on the land and live car free.

    As for parks, there are several in the Austin area. As for squatting, I don't have the nerve to try it, with the exception of trying stealth camping while on a bicycle tour or walking long distances for transportation. I could get away with it then, for a night.
     
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