Masturbation = Draining?

ejaculation and orgasm are not the same thing. it's possible to to orgasm without ejaculating

if you don't believe that ejaculating is draining, you could test the theory yourself. try ejaculating as many times as you can in a day (this would be horrible for your health, I don't recommend it, this would just be for those who doubt the draining effects of ejaculation).

see how you feel afterwards. you'll probably feel very tired and feel like shit

 

Too much of anything is bad for you. The thing about ejaculation is that it is essential for prostate health. Realize that the prostate produces everything in semen that isn't sperm. If it does not get used it can start to enlarge and restrict urine flow. Also this can lead to prostate cancer in older men. As a matter of fact I have read in numerous places that in addition to having regular prostate exams a man should ejaculate at least once a week after the age of 50. In other words "Use it or Lose it."

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

I think that it is the orgasm and the circulation of energy that contributes to health rather than ejaculation

there are tantra and sexual qi gong masters that haven't ejaculated in 20 years who are in excellent health

 

^There are also people who have lived on a diet steady of Red Meat, Coffee, and Cigarettes and are living fruitful productive lives into their 90's.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

maybe the masters have it wrong then, and they are healthy despite, rather than because of their practices

 

My point is even in tantra they advocate "The Middle Path". Avoiding anything too extreme in either direction. Even the Dalai Lama has advocated that science trumps faith. If you were to look at those same masters that lived to such a healthy old age without ejaculating then looked at the rest of their lifestyle such as diet, exercise, sleep habits, etc. Maybe the non ejaculation isn't what caused them to live such a long and healthy life.

Most of them also didn't breathe the same poisoned air we do. Or drink the chemical soup that we call water. They probably took the natural equivalents of the prescription drugs that we take today that are made from the whole herb not just the active ingredient super concentrated and buffered (or cut depending on how you look at it) with whatever science tells us is safe now but will tell us in 20 years gives you colon cancer. They probably didn't eat food so laden with preservatives that it takes dead bodies 3 days longer to start decomposing. They probably didn't go to regular jobs that they couldn't stand that drove their stress levels and blood pressure levels into the red zone. As a matter of fact meditating 20 hours a day is likely to cause anybody to live to be one hundred and fifty years old and healthy.

So if you really want to believe that all of that stuff about not ejaculating being good for you and extending your life be my guest. But to me that is like looking at the smile on the Mona Lisa and insisting that it is the whole painting.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

Rev JC,
The man who discovered/elucidated "The Middle Path" did say something like "be a teacher unto yourself." That is, no one needs to believe anything about whether ejac. is draining or not; some members reported that they felt draining afterward and some felt otherwise.

For me, about 5min afterward, I start to feel irritable and a bit "weak/spent."
I only do it about 1-2x/month as I no longer feed nor suppress the urge.

 

e7m8, good point about ejaculation and orgasm.
This is just my personal experience:

Sexual intercourse: intense orgasm but moderate ejaculation, but not "draining" at all.
Masturbation: climax but intense ejaculation, but irritable afterward.

(could this be why married men still masturbate since ejaculation is more intense than in sex?)

 

Rev JC, good point about diet and lifestyle.

W/ this in mind, that prostate cancer study may only apply to us Americans?

 

Married men masturbate after marriage for a variety of reasons. One reason is that they occasionally get turned on by someone who is not their wife. I think porn is harmful to a relationship, but I think it is perfectly natural for a man to sometimes imagine he is being sexually attacked by another woman. So long as this is all in the imagination and no action is taken against the other woman, the relationship between husband and wife stays good. I think the benefits of having a healthy sex life and libido which includes masturbation far outweigh any damage that someone imagines might be done. My wife has a sensible attitude towards this, and says I can look but don't touch other women. Although it really is in poor taste to obviously ogle other women, I occasionally catch glances. Another reason a man masturbates after marriage is that most men require sexual release more often than most women do. The man just naturally wants sex more often than the woman is willing to give it to him.

In the movie "Gone in 60 Seconds" one of the guys invents what he calls the "Stranger". By sitting on his hand until it is numb, then jacking off, he feel a hand on his dick but it seems like someone else's because his hand is numb and he can't feel anything. I use this point to illustrate the fact it always feels better to have someone else jack you off than to do it yourself. I can't really explain why since I am an engineer not a psychologist. The most intense orgasms I have are from my wife giving me a hand job. She uses both hand extremely effectively. We have been married 21 years and she knows exactly how to make me erupt with the ultimate effectiveness. Much more intense than sexual intercourse. I would say after one of these orgasms I am worn out to some degree, but I always thought men who just turned over and went to sleep after sex were douche bags. I always make a point to snuggle with my wife for some time afterwards, talking if she feels like talking, and just in general making sure she knows I love and apreciate her.

 

Masturbation has been shown to reduce testosterone levels in men who don't work out.
I think if you keep your testosterone high, and your aspirations high for finding someone to have sex with, you should be fine.

 

Thank you for your honesty (that's why I decided to join this forum b/c for the most part, people are more honest here).

I was aware of the other reasons you mentioned, my original post was more aimed at the female members who may not no why their husbands still masturbate.

You covered pretty much everything. But just for concreteness, here's my personal scale (10 being the best):
Sexual intercourse: Orgasm 7-10; Ejaculation 6-7
Masturbation: Orgasm 3-10; Ejaculation 3-10

 

One more thing about draining/not draining:
When I ejac. at a 3 or a 4, I don't feel drained nor irritable afterward, simply b/c the ejac. was too lukewarm to actually believe that I came.
That's why I don't usually masturbate in above-avg room temp. or when my penis is "hot" to the touch b/c a "hot" penis generally means less forceful and "watery" ejaculation.

 

Draining - NO; Is eating a whole bowl of ice cream draining? NO - you may feel full or some other strange feeling but damn was it good ... I believe you should go to the gym more often and build up your endurance for masturbation & normal fun life!!! You will live long.

 

according to chinese medicine, eating ice cream is in fact draining, so the example is ironic from that perspective

to each their own though, I say. if you are happy with your path, more power to you

 

I am not sure why people keep using the prostate excuse for why they want to ejaculate. you may as well say the health reasons behind ejaculation is to prevent blueballs...

bottom line, when one ejaculates they waste testosterone, and that can be harnessed and channeled into focus. when you ejaculate, the blood flow to the frontal lobe decreases and concentration goes down the toilet. no wonder men act like goddamn apes and can't think about 1 thing.

in response to someone who smokes, eats red meat rarely live into their 90's and that is a rare occasion and is usually because that person has historically and genetically a strong life force but if they could harnessed their energy instead of wasting it on physical stimulation, who knows how long they could have lived...

bottom line, men frequently ejaculate because its animalistic and they don't know any damn better and then make excuses for it. a man can make love and have multiple internal orgasms and make a much deeper connection without semen loss...

 

I find that a lack of arousal influences my decision to masturbate or not.
Also I find that giving up TV has led to a less frequent arousal episode.

Blueballs usually disappear after around age 23-26.

 

^^Haha above OP. Have you felt your balls if you have any after a hard day? They feeel like there going to burst because there's so much inside. You have to release before they burst.

 

for you, it'll be around age 27-32, given how you're seemingly always in a state of arousal.

"...going to burst because there's so much inside..."

Definitely just your imagination.

 

The 'blue balls' condition is basically no real different to an erection, caused by an increased level of blood supply during sexual arousal. It has nothing to do with there being so much semen inside, as semen is generated in the seminal glands, not in the testes. Even after a man has had a vasectomy, which physically detaches the tubes (vas deferens) connecting the testes, he will still ejaculate semen - it just won't have any sperm in it.