London Burns - Riots all around England

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o&feature=player_embedded

 

That was awesome. I have no idea why a reporter is acting like under the guise of being neutral and impartial.

He makes a good point - why do we look at riots in other countries - Egypt, Syria, Libya etc. as being a democratic uprising, while on our own soil it's just hooligans.

 

Whoever mentioned that sun spot stuff, I'm startin to suspect they may be right. My neighbours were having a prolonged domestic, a guy kept slamming a door and getting into his car, then sitting there for a while. Then he'd get up and bang on their house door, shouting and screaming... After they've just had a discussion he gets into his car and sits there blasting the horn... Literally sitting there blasting it constantly!! I was getting severely pissed off, I was just putting some shoes on to go outside and then he sped off down the street. I hope he fucking crashes, he's being a complete cock. This guy fucking washes and vacuums hiis car for fucking hours seemingly everyday, even though it's not dirty. I wouldn't mind but he has kids that he should be being a fucking parent to, he seems to love his cars more than his kids.

I fucking hate this country and its people so much. I've said it before and I'll say it agai: SOMEONE PLEASE FUCKING NUKE US!

 

In Egypt, Syria, Libya, etc they arent burning down neighborhoods, looting shops, and mugging eachother.

 

Nope, just firing automatic heavy weapons and high explosives at each other. Also, those countries have had movements incited by outside forces, we just neglected our society until the shit got too deep to stand in.

Seriously, I'v had to put up with these chavvy scumbags robbing and assaulting me and my friends for most of my life, even a couple of months ago my door got kicked in and I got hit by a bat and £1200 of weed stolen from me. I had to deal with their shit all through school and most days and nights if I went into town or even just across town to see a friend. People act fucking surprised and they probably are because they've been ASLEEP to the reality of the kind of person we have created through our neglect of social values.

I'm getting to the point where I want all these people to suffer as much as possible now, everyone in the fuking country. Fuck them all.

 

They had much worse. Egypt had over 300 deaths. But that happened there, so that's good, while this is happening here to "our property". Gotta protect what's ours.

 

My house was targeted on a constant basis a few years ago (before I moved into the middle of the country) . At first I tried to understand why this was happening to me as I hadnt done anything to these people who were invading my property, smashing my stuff, stones at the windows and trying to break in.

After a while I realised that the fact that I was assuming it was a personal attack on me was a fallacy, a flaw in my way of thinking. I realised that these scumbags (teenagers and those younger than that whose parents assumed they would never get involved in such things) were doing this for the simple reason that they COULD do it and get away with it.

They had no fear of consequences as the odds are stacked very heavily against the complainant. Therefore , the only solution where a society makes it so hard for a victim to get justice (without having his property burnt down) is vigilantism (pardon spelling).

I did pull on a large wolly cap for for such a purpose after seeing a neighbour being hassled but was unfortunately spotted leaving the house, so that was the end of that.

The worst that s happened in 5 years in the arsehole of nowhere is a rabbit hutched being nicked from the garden. Apart from that it's bliss.

 

DEY TOOK ER JERBS!!!

 

The problem with your argument is that there are nations as liberal as the UK with respect to punishment and retribution, and these kind of events do not happen there. It also happens in much more strict societies, like we saw in Iran over the election. Therefore we must deduce that there is something more to it than simply spoiled youth wanting to break stuff.

 

yeah, well we know different people i guess... fyi, there are plenty that create but it isn't given much air-time... the mainstream media (with few exceptions) like to focus on the neg aspects of it all... aren't really interested in transmitting what the heart of it is really about...

 

kids of today are under so much pressure to have the latest gadgets etc, so i hardly think the fact that they are running around in the latest clothes or with iPhones/Blackberries has anything to do with wealth nowadays... they quite likely own stolen goods anyway... it is not so much about what they wear but more about how they are being treated/perceived (and i'm talking before the riots)... as i mentioned way earlier in this thread, the youth hostels are being closed, organizations that get kids some structure/support are closed... EMA has stopped... police constantly harrass them when they have done nothing... etc etc etc did your children have to put up with that?

 

i haven't heard ONE single person call it a "jolly little game"... where did THAT come from... maybe your preconceived ideas?

 

speak for yourself... and have one of these... :chillpill:
:grouphug:

:sunny:

 

No, I won't have a fucking chill pill. Everyone taking chill pills is what has led to this situation, everyone chilling themselves out and calming themselves down while the fabric of society rots around them is why we end up with the forgotten youth that are only remembered when they riot.

All that's going to happen is that everyone's going to talk and talk talk and talk talk talkfuckkingtalk while the same shit happens at the upper echelons of society that will have a negative effect at the lower end. The same old shit is going to happen because people WILL TAKE THEIR CHILL PILLS and when their heartbeat returns to normal, they will forget all about this and what might of caused it.

Now is not the time for chill pills. Chill pills have not worked for 50 years or more and they're certainly not going to work now.

 

and this helps?????

 

Just accept that we're neurotic. We've built a society where no action is possible without a signed, stamped and sealed form delivered to the authorities in triplicate within ten business days. Spontaneous action must be quashed.

 

yep, we are very neurotic, all of us.
those so righteously, hopelessly pissed off with this filthy society (no need to specify which one, most suck bad) to put hope in a bunch of rioters hungry for free goods are lunatics; and those so pathetically hanging on to the above mentioned crap societies of ours, you know, our civilization spreading everywhere war, misery and poisoning are obviously misleaded and this thing must be going on since their early childhood. having your shop totally screwed up by thugs is 'evil' but not so much , say, as a minivan full of civilians including children, blown up by the coalition just to stay on the safe side. that's why some of us just dont care about your fucking charred car: we ran out of compassion since the second gulf war. i don't think there is a winning attitude with our W-civilization, the only winning move is not playing. put me in one of these boxes if you please, it is all the same. if economy won't take care of us and war will spare our lives there is still an environmental emergency cooking so, personally speaking, i suspect it is futile saying violence yes / violence no at this point.

thug fun ride (hope they ran right through some bank window)

http://tv.repubblica.it/dossier/riv...ucciati-in-gita-sulla-escavatrice/74106/72396

 

Not in those exact words, perhaps - but there seems to be quite a few people getting off on the violence. Generally from a distance, naturally.

Having seen mob violence at football matches and gigs, and knowing the kind of people who jump on its bandwagon, you'll forgive me if I dont seem particularly enthusiastic.

Here's a few of the quotes that led me to form the opinions I have...

Oh great, more pain. What the world needs.

Oh what bad timing. I bet you're gutted. Hey - maybe the riot could come to you ! PM me your adress and I'll see what I can arrange. Wouldn't want you to miss out on the pain.

Again...what bad timing, etc.

Yeah, but the thing is they dont, do they ? They smash up poor areas and make them poorer. I suspect that's because what they're really in it for is some easy thieving - not social change.

I feel your pain.

Such a shame. You could have taken a picnic, made a night of it.

But then you haven't just had your life shattered / house burnt / business destroyed / job put in jepody.

When its not your house / livelihood, possibly.

The revolution can continue from your armchair. Dont you feel a bit like a voyeur ?

No they wont, because the rioting has barely actually touched them. As said before, poor areas are being made poorer and, er...thats it.

Alternatively criminals could be thinking "Shit, we have a lot of non-criminals and peaceful people in our midst, maybe we are doing something wrong".

They could point the finger at themselves.

Social revolutionaries, surely ?

Yeah, but by that argument it also wouldn't be happening if the participants gave a shit for the people around them. We're not talking about people who've spent years trying to improve their communities, and have only taken to rioting out of frustration. We're talking about people who on a daily basis make life in a shit part of town just a little more shitty for everyone else.

I'm sure the finer points of jewellery trade ethics was foremost in the minds of the looters, who will now sell the stuff and give the money to Third World charities.

Of course they wont, they'll do exactly what the jeweller did - sell it for as much as possible and live off the proceeds. One form of capitalism replaces another.

Implying that the people who were just unlucky enough to be in the way at the wrong time had it coming cosmically ?

Again, if it was Downing Street or Knightsbridge or some other affluent area that was burning, but Tottenham, etc ?


When the dust clears, a lot of poor areas will be poorer. Small businesses will be out of business for good, while the multi-nationals will be able to rebuild and claim an even bigger share of the local profits with less competition.

Vacant fire-damaged lots will fall into the hands of property developers, who will sell on for the most money, inevitably to other multi-nationals.

For the average slob on the streets, they'll have to get by without local shops for a while, until Tesco decides its safe enough to extend their empire even further. Oh, and insurance premiums will go through the roof. If you're lucky enough to still have a roof, of course.

A lot of people will have lost what they've spent a lifetime building, including in some cases members of their own families - but will probably draw comfort from the idea that it was just karma... you lose a son, but I got a new TV for nothing.

Several months ago, in the run-up to the royal wedding - the Metropolitan police launched a series of "pre-emptive" arrests against anarchists and others suspected of demonstrating against the event. They arrested more on the day itself, generally before the people concerned had a chance to actually do anything.

I posted about that on Hip forums, and also posted videos of the police in action. It generated very little interest. But get a bunch of thugs looting and burning and suddenly its social revolution time ? Got to admit, it beats me...



Those royal wedding pre-emptive strikes: http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=426581&f=606



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Just saying, if you make a living out of selling unethical goods and you're unlucky enough to get your business trashed- you're getting no sympathy from me. Is that clear enough for you Mr Frank?

 

Lets see.. Luftwaffe bombed London for 70 some straight days. If I have my history right.. Didn't London recover?