Questions Science Can't Answer

where was my soul before I owned it?

 

Are you trying to suggest that because there are things yet to be discovered then the act of trying to discover new things via logic and reason is void? That's what science is, it's discovery. It's not claiming to have all the answers.

Still, I suppose making up the answers is a lot easier in the short term. So total dullards should jump on board with you and say it was all god and jesus and whatever if they don't fancy having to deal with actual learning.

 

Why would we talk to you seriously about reason and science when you have given us nothing but what is frankly frightening levels of unreasonableness and a complete disregard for any scientific principles? We know that all you will say is "I know the truth". Your spooky robotic mantra. So why would we expend our energy?

You've set up a situation where it would be like talking to a wall whilst trying to explain algebra to a goose. You can only reason with the reasonable. Those who have elected to shut down their powers of critical thinking to the degree you have simply can't be reached. You can either do the searching yourself or continue being happy in your bubble, but please stop harrassing those of us living in the real world.

 

Let's brighten this place up:
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The bible wont answer these questions either...not with proof anyway.

What is the point of this thread?

 

Excellent question. Right on the money.

 

Asking what came before the Big Bang is just plain not interesting. Having a four-dimensional, Euclidean, Planck-sized spacial nugget that exists outside of time allows for absolutely nothing physically interesting to exist. It is only when the temporal dimension split off (ie: The Big Bang), that things got interesting. And, after that point, science can answer (even if it hasn't yet) all of the OP's questions that AREN'T subjectively based.

 

etkearne:

Until it shifts ( by your explanation.) And yet the motion, the shifting itself belies any theoretically shiftless, static state preceding it. "Nuggets" at planck scale are imaginary, even if (and because) they exist! : D The spatial is temporal so long as it is beheld. While I agree with you that we may perhaps do best asking after what appears to us 'altogether', still all questions contain their own interest at the very least in the asking. Questions too are physical... so...to each their own? lol

Oh, you mean Scientists! Science is a mute beast, and a domestic one, deserving of our attention... but our faith?!

: D

A non-subjective question!? That's a good one! I hope you're not some sort of metaphysicist! ; D

 

Asking what came before the Big Bang is just plain not interesting.

I'll tell you what you atheist believe. That nothing, yes really, nothing came before the big bang. LOL

That is not interesting, no ?

Having a four-dimensional, Euclidean, Planck-sized spacial nugget that exists outside of time allows for absolutely nothing physically interesting to exist

You are right, this allows for nothing to exist, and therefore the theory is garbage, and what is more, it is all drawn up in imagination and never once being backed by any evidence. That sounds interesting to me. Nothing can exist outside time. You have no idea what you are talking about...this is diarrhea coming out of your mouth.



You seem to know the rhetoric of science, but you seem not know it is a lie. The things you are taught about evolution and the big bang are actually tools of propaganda and nothing to do with the integrity of science. Ask me why.

My OP questions can not be answered or proved by science. Though they make up theories for them...and made these things completely up using no real evidence or foundations of real science. It's all fantasy.

Now, explain to me how science has answered these and we can begin our discussion.

 

You got it wrong. The religious fever of science tries to create and explain reasons why were are here in an effort to lose our accountability to God. There is no proof for these imaginary theories. They are completely fiction and serve as tools of propaganda. Though you are completely unaware of this...like most of your peers here. I tell you the truth.

Evolution is more than a lie, it is a tool to get you to think in a mold that is easier to form. If you beilve you are just elements on the periodic table and that your life means nothing, you are likely going to believe that and allow things to happen in accordance of this world view. It is a lie.

 

your truth is only truth to you

just as our truth is truth to us

 

In your mind, the discussion was over before you began it. So what is the point of this thread, other than to spread your own verbal diarrhea?

 

I forgot for a few weeks why it is pointless to get into authentic scientific arguments with people on this site. Now I remember...

I'll try to explain this one more time: The fact that there was a "shift" is a semantic choice. I chose the word "shift" because it is easy on our brains. In fact, explaining the entire Universe existing as a four-spatial dimensional manifold and then existing as a mixed-dimensional manifold is not possible to explain outside of the mathematics that I showed you all on the article I wrote FOR THIS SITE. Explaining something of that magnitude with the English language is impossible.

This is VERY abstract stuff and you really need to read up on it to understand the stuff. For me, I started getting interested in the question of the nature of the Big Bang when I was THIRTEEN. THEN, I spent four years from age 17-21 getting a Bachelor's degree in Math and Physics, THEN I enrolled in graduate school for Mathematics and for the last TWO years I have researched the subject. I would say that it took until 7 or 8 months ago until I felt "comfortable" with the subject. So, as fun as it would be to understand it all RIGHT NOW, you have to give it some patience, hit the books (you don't have to get a degree in the stuff, but you DO need to understand some of the Math), spend some time thinking, and come back.

As for me being a METAPHYSICS person or a RELIGIOUS person (which I think were eluded to), I am a scientist, specifically a real mathematician at a real University, and I hold NO religious beliefs. The science behind everything explains things better than ANY religion. Sure, not ALL answers are answered, but I still don't think God answers them better.

Please be reasonable with me and let's talk like adults and not argue over petty things.

 

@ Ramble on

So your saying that if I listen to scientists I'm less likely to protest? And am more likely to passively accept the increasing losses of my personal freedom?

I say bullshit.

 

I wouldn't listen to anything he/she says regarding science from what I have seen so far. He/she might be a great person all around, but they aren't too keen on real science. That isn't meant as an insult, just an observation.

 

etkearne:

Whatever we call it -- shift, bang, pop etc etc, I can't see how any language ( including mathematics ) has explained it, which is not to doubt its having happened.

I feel comfortable with the subject. I understand very well its abstract nature, though you might say I am not "predisposed" to describing it mathematically. : ) I also feel comfortable with infinity ( can do the symbol too! ) and even the all too touchy topic of eternity.

Quantum superposition and non-local quantum entanglement are subjects I'd enjoy to hear discussed. I am very interested in the evolution[sic] of consciousness. Its action upon matter is something I am not certain can be described 'outside' of that action.

I wasn't alluding to your being such, I was just joking! : D I have no degree in anything. I have never even found my 'vocation' let alone a career. I'm just a guy with access to a computer. : D

Neither do I. I've yet to meet someone less religious than myself. Those who believe in god, literally, physically, humanly, as a being presently on this earth, would do well to go and look for him! ( Don't let the fact that I doubt you'll ever (at least among yourselves) be able to find him stop you! lol) We'd then perhaps have something to talk about!

Adults must be permitted their playfulnesses too! We were once children! : D That's how my reasonableness speaks. I second your request. Let's let the pettiness drop away. Let's all forgive eachother for being ourselves and get along towards just such a thing! ; D

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Ram:

I told you in the 'where is humanity headed' thread that's not what atheists believe, at least not all of us! ---I'll be forever telling you?! : D

I'm the most god-like being I've ever conceived. That said, I'm a bit of a botched job. If people could help me out, or at the very least conceive themselves doing so, maybe we'll achieve, in all truth, 100% tolerance for our respective 'truths' --and A WHOLE LOT MORE BESIDES! LOL

 

I don't really ask god for proof of anything as much as I ask him for vengance against my enemys.

 

lol You could try asking him not to keep pumping them out so you wouldn't have to.

 

Dejavu- good to hear we are on the same page. It is hard to tell people's "agendas" on the Internet. I would love to share my knowledge of quantum theories of consciousness with you. Just give me the rest of the day and I'll write up another essay to post here on the subject. Sound good?

 

Sounds great!