Hippies from an evolutionary perspective.

I have a theory about human evolution.

The have found that human DNA is 99% identical to Chimpanzees and Bonobos.

The behavioral patterns of Chimps and Bonobos are different though.

Chimps are generally aggressive. When 2 troops of Chimps come into the same area they fight until all of one or the other troops are dead. When a baby chimps parents die they are generally left to fend for themselves. Chimps also commonly commit rape and display very aggressive behavior to become dominant in their social and family groups.

Sounds almost like the way our society has developed.

Bonobos on the other hand are primarily passive. They would rather fuck then fight. When 2 troops of bonobo come into the same area the peacefully cohabitate and travel together for a few days. Sometimes a handful of bonobo change troops and travel with the other ones for a while. When a bonobo dies and leaves offspring behind the rest of the group adopts that offspring and raises it as their own. And one rises to dominance in a bonobo troop by how he helps the others to survive.

Sounds like hippies to me.

I have this theory that as we left trees and evolved both chimps and bonobos evolved they grew into different types of people. If you look at native cultures in all parts of the world you will see that there are some tribes that are brutal and war like and others that are peaceful.

The brutal and war like tribes to me descended from chimps and that aggression and violence is in their DNA and their societies evolved from that.

The peaceful tribes descended from the bonobos. That loving, caring, and nurturing part of their societies is in their DNA.

As our societies developed beyond the tribal stage (actually not quite in my perspective) these differences have developed in different directions.

We have world leaders such as Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, etc. who came into power using aggression as a tool for gaining and maintaining power. To me they are the descendants of Chimps.

We have others such as Ghandi, Maritin Luther King, The Dalai Lama etc. Who used peaceful non-violent means to achieve and maintain power. To me they are the descendants of bonobo.

If you look at hippie culture and the values that it holds. Such as non-violence, love, taking care of each other, resolving conflicts with little damage. It seems like we are descended from the bonobo.

So spread love to your bonobo brothers. And hopefully you can spread love to the chimps in power too.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

Humans did not evolve from either chimps or bonobos but all three species share a common ancestor

 

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Oh - he's serious.

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^^ I guess you are not a bonabo?

Anyway, nice theory sounds pretty intriguing!

 

Which part in particular intrigues you the most?

 

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU

This makes me laugh every time I see it. It could very well be staged. Never underestimate human stupidity.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

The fact that even things primates can have opposing views, the bonobos "hippie" lifestyle, and the chimps aggressive lifestyle.

 

I want to say it was chimpanzees that were trained in the value of money. They were given metal washers as currency for trade of food and banana bubble gum(joke). It was a controlled environment with the chimps coming into a tunnel tube to a window with various items. One time there was a flaw and the chimp grabbed some washers for free. He soon after traded the washers FOR SEXUAL FAVORS from a female chimp.

I like how people discredit science. I too believe science dips into some topics it should not. But for us to understand where we came from is important in my opinion. Mainly to debunk alot of conditioning and preconceived notions. But Rev, none the less, you stated your own opinion with thought and should not be looked past. I actually really like the way you are going with it...

 

"Views"? "Lifestyle"? These are animals, it's hard to apply human concepts like that to animals but I think I know what you mean. The bonobo and the chimpanzee make up the genus pan! Easy to remember because pan is in chimpanzee and bonobos are just awesome. Bonobos are one of the very few known species to have sex for fun, often regardless of sex. Kangaroos have been known to masturbate. Dinosaurs invented basketball. OK, that last one wasn't true but it's better than humans evolving from modern day apes! Are you aware that the apes of today have evolved just as much, if not more, than us? That goes for a great deal of life on this planet.

That video looks fake, it says fox on it so probably is...? Also, you can't see the bullets hitting anything, no dirt blows off the ground etc. Still, good video, very poignant in these times. I don't know how you can laugh at it, though.

The idea of attitudes and outlooks and behaviour being rooted in genetics, at least for human beings, is incredibly outmoded and frankly dangerous. You are a reflection of your culture, you behave according to what you have learned, not what you are born with. Is a racist's child racist at birth? No! You raise a Chinese baby in England, what language does he speak? Chinese? They tested a pair of babies born in china, one was white and one was Chinese, to see if the Chinese one had an innate ability to learn Chinese faster than the white baby. They learned at the same rate. Is a thief born a thief? Or does he steal because others have what he does not later on in life and he has a corrupt value system? A value system that he learned.

And how could 2 seperate species have the same descendents? This is just not logical.

 

Very interesting, adds to what I was saying about behaviour being learned, not genetic. I didn't know you could apply it to chimps in such a way!

 

I laugh at the stupidity of the humans involved. I do believe that there are some people so stupid that they would give a chimp a machine gun.

There are some traits like Mental Illness and Allergies that are hereditary. There are environmental factors at work certainly but genetics also play an important role. Diet, socialization, etc. all play important roles in how we develop. I'm not discounting these factors at all. But the foundations of all of this are genetic predispositions.

As for how two different species can evolve into the same creature. With a 99% similarity in DNA similar mutations are not that far fetched a concept. The fact that we have traced our Ancestry back that far makes it seem semi-plausible.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

Two different species cannot "evolve into the same creature". Evolution is the theory of common ancestry, not freestyle morphing between species. Seriously? Bats are mammals that developed flight, that does not make them birds. Humans are very clearly one species which can be traced back to a relatively small group of homo sapiens several hundred thousand years ago. They share a common ancestor with Chimpanzees, Bonobos and Gorillas which predated all four species by a few million years.

Humans branched from the Chimpanzee line around 6 million years ago. Bonobo speciation occurred around 1.5 million years ago. Are people really this uneducated about evolution?

 

The standard social science model is the outmoded view here. Selection pressures shape the mind just as much as they shape physical traits, it's naivety and scientific illiteracy to think otherwise. There are genetic influences (which take the form of propensities and statistical biases rather than direct causal influences) on all human behaviour. The language example is a good one, Chinese babies are not born to speak Chinese, but they are born to learn a language that obeys certain universal principles of grammar - whether Chinese or English is irrelevant, these are mere cosmetics. The principles of perception, intuitive physics and language acquisition that could make a person have the propensity to understand and be able to name a table are what is encoded in our genome, not the specific word for "table". Such propensities vary in type and degree within given boundaries within a species just as does height, or muscularity, or hair colour.